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mistyhall  
#1 Posted : 05 November 2013 09:46:46(UTC)
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mistyhall

Has anyone changed their Fire Procedures in the wake of the Fire Brigade only attending confirmed fires? What are your feelings on this ( if it is indeed happening in your area)?
DP  
#2 Posted : 05 November 2013 17:54:53(UTC)
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DP

it one we are all going to have to think about Mistyhall thats for sure.
DP  
#3 Posted : 05 November 2013 17:59:36(UTC)
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DP

Sorry did no finnish - many FA’s have issued letters of notice to company regarding this and they tend to state working hours as the non-attendance hours – I get they need to do something about false alarm calls but this a very contentious matter – are we going to ask managers occupiers of premises to go back into a building to check if there is actually a fire?? Think of the many scenarios that could occur here?
O'Donnell54548  
#4 Posted : 05 November 2013 18:30:47(UTC)
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O'Donnell54548

I work for an organisation which provides retirement housing and our management procedures include alarm verification. Briefly, alarm sounds and manager identifies from the control panel the site of activation, makes their way to the scene to establish if the Fire Service is required. Tenants remain in their flats unless instructed to leave by either the manager or the fire officer. In their training we always emphasis that managers should never put themselves at risk, any signs of a genuine fire they immediately dial 999. If established that it is a false/unwanted alarm, they return to the alarm panel and re-set. When the manager is off-site the alarm goes directly to an off-site monitoring station who call the Fire Service. This has cut the number of unnecessary call outs to the fire service quite considerably, to the benefit of both the emergency services and the tenants.
SBH  
#5 Posted : 05 November 2013 22:19:54(UTC)
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SBH

We are a large acute hospital and we have been operating this call challenge system for nearly 18 months . We have reduced the number of call outs from 140 per annum to less than 20. The fire service are well pleased but are now threatened with redundancies due to lack of action --- cant win. The process took about 6 months to implement and run smoothly. So good that we cancelled the servicing of the Alarm Receiving Centre.
SBH  
#6 Posted : 05 November 2013 22:21:49(UTC)
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SBH

So good that we cancelled the servicing of the Alarm Receiving Centre.
OOPS - Should read Services SBH
mistyhall  
#7 Posted : 06 November 2013 09:32:57(UTC)
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mistyhall

At present ( stores and warehouse operation) we do first knock, so alarm sounds on the panel, Fire Wardens/ Shift Manager notified of where it is go and investigate to see if fire or not and reports back to security who inform Alarm recieving centre as to call out or not call out Fire Brigade. This is only for Smoke heads/Beams with the Spinkler/Call points it goes straight to Fire with full evac, my issue is why bother with the alarm recieving centre now as we only have 5 mins from first knock before it goes to full alarm and full evac and the Fire Brigade come out!! Will we then start getting charged if its a false alarm??
Psycho  
#8 Posted : 06 November 2013 13:06:56(UTC)
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Psycho

Durham were the first Brigade in the contry to instigade this between the hours of 9am and 5pm the brigade will not attend alarms in low risk premises without confirmation of a real fire -- If you phone up saying that your alarm is going off they will ask you to confirm if you cant best look then ring tham back we have 5 large hospitals 3 small hospitals 89 other buildings including residences clinics etc so we sat down with the brigade and agreed to put our buildings into 3 catigories High Risk sleeping risk --- They will still atend thease which include residences and major accute hospitals High risk Special importance -- Such as our warehouse which hold 600,000 patient notes or the back up computer site - to loose thease would cause harm to the community so need a response Low risk -- Needs confirmation from the occupier -manager responsible to call 999 If we phone the brigade its prefixed with the above to ensure an attendance we then had 6 months of training with the staff managers of buildings, Fire teams, Property companies etc to put it all in place differant proceedures for differant buildings not forgetting the Alarm recieving stations who no longer phone the brigade during the working hours its done by staff in the minor buildings our large buildings use the on site telephone exchange operators to contact the brigade lots of work but has to be done durham were dealing with 1000s of calls a year
mssy  
#9 Posted : 06 November 2013 18:03:58(UTC)
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mssy

mistyhall wrote:
At present ( stores and warehouse operation) we do first knock, so alarm sounds on the panel, Fire Wardens/ Shift Manager notified of where it is go and investigate to see if fire or not and reports back to security who inform Alarm recieving centre as to call out or not call out Fire Brigade. This is only for Smoke heads/Beams with the Spinkler/Call points it goes straight to Fire with full evac, my issue is why bother with the alarm recieving centre now as we only have 5 mins from first knock before it goes to full alarm and full evac and the Fire Brigade come out!! Will we then start getting charged if its a false alarm??
I never quite understand this anxiety It is down to the Responsible Person (via the FRA) to determine the time delay and whether to call the fire service and not anybody else. In one very large building, we have scrapped the alarm receiving centre & increased our time to search (to 8 mins) and call the fire service ourselves (and not an ARC). Backed up by a detailed risk assessment and with the right staff, adequate training, comms equipment & drills, we have complete control of every incident. We have perhaps 150 to 200 fire alarm activations a year, but have only called the fire service 3 times in the last 12 months. None of these were chargeable false alarms
mistyhall  
#10 Posted : 07 November 2013 09:37:01(UTC)
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mistyhall

mssy, Totally agree with you. I feel that would benefit where i work as well. I will be looking to instigate this and get rid of the ARC.( Thats if the insurance dept. let me!!!!)
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