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JoshuaX  
#1 Posted : 13 November 2013 23:22:25(UTC)
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JoshuaX

Hi experts a number of employees have been seen with children in vehicle cabs whilst on company locations. I have informed my manager that it invalids insurance etc and is unsafe. Has anyone got any example cases were someone's child etc has been injured to show it happens. I am wanting it band as it will not be long before a child gets run over when they go to the toilet etc unsupervised. The factory iis not an environment for children. The problem is the boss does not want to upset the drivers as we can't find enough of them! I need to highlight the risk more effectively, then I have done as much as I can.
colinreeves  
#2 Posted : 14 November 2013 13:53:05(UTC)
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colinreeves

You have advised management of the illegality and unsafe practice. Management have to make the decision. So long as you have a recorded method of ashowing that you have raised the subject, and preferably a couple of reminders, you have done your best. No help to your feelings if there is an accident though, hence the reminders.
Dazzling Puddock  
#3 Posted : 14 November 2013 14:19:28(UTC)
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Dazzling Puddock

Are you sure that carrying a passenger invalidates insurance? I have encountered situations where employers have banned passengers from company vehicles because the insurance provider does not want to be responsible for payouts to injured parties but have never heard of insurance becoming invalid. A large number of HGVs carry children during the school holidays, in fact around half the drivers I encounter (long distance) have a dog or a partner as a companion on certain routes. Why not insist that the passenger is accompanied to the toilet on your premises or must stay in the cab at all times.
achrn  
#4 Posted : 14 November 2013 18:02:59(UTC)
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achrn

Dazzling Puddock wrote:
Why not insist that the passenger is accompanied to the toilet on your premises or must stay in the cab at all times.
That's what I've done in similar circumstances. If a lorry turns up with a minor (or apparent minor) in the cab, we simply ensure they remain in the cab. If they need the toilet they can cross their legs or pee in a bucket (in the cab).
JoshuaX  
#5 Posted : 14 November 2013 19:17:37(UTC)
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JoshuaX

Thanks guys I might back off on this one then. Ensure it's managed sensible and leave it at that, but I am sure I reminder some case about a milk float or something.
Brett Day SP  
#6 Posted : 15 November 2013 08:49:57(UTC)
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Brett Day SP

A lot of quarries do not insure for anyone under 18 on site and have a blanket no children even in cabs rule, to the extent that the weighbridge clerk will turn away any trucks with kids in, it's amazing what losing a load or two can do to concentrate the mind... I was told of an incident many years back of a driver who frequently had his dog in the cab, despite site rules saying no children or pets, he turned up to take a load and let his dog out for a call of nature and it dashed of to a grassy patch straight under the wheels of 950 wheel loader !!
Clairel  
#7 Posted : 15 November 2013 11:47:52(UTC)
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Clairel

Whilst I don't think it invalidates your insurance (though always wise to check) I personally would go for a blanket ban on children in cabs. Not only is there the risk of children being hurt in the yard areas but also a bored child left in the cab alone can cause all sorts of problems playing with handbrakes etc mimicking daddy. Workplaces are generally not for children. Lorries and transport yards are no different. In agriculture children under 13 are banned from even being a passenger on all self propelled machinery (including tractors) as the accident history is too high. Personally I'd apply that to all work vehicles carrying out work activity. I'm not normally known for taking a hard line but on this one I do take a hard line. I've advised a customer the same recently when they asked about their drivers taking kids in cabs during school holidays. Get childcare, it's work not a creche.
Jane Blunt  
#8 Posted : 15 November 2013 14:47:13(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

The milk float case is this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_v_Plenty
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