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elevation  
#1 Posted : 19 November 2013 11:03:06(UTC)
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elevation

Just wondered what the general consensus of opinion was out there?

Is everything on your CV 100% legitimate or, as I am regularly informed, have you put things down that exaggerate the truth?

Does 'selling yourself' equate to claiming ownership of things that you did not contribute towards?

As for interviews, do you approach them 100% honesty or do you approach them with 'whatever it takes'?

I guess therefore my overall question is this, Would you or have you lied to get a Health & Safety position?
ExDeeps  
#2 Posted : 19 November 2013 11:22:25(UTC)
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ExDeeps

I doubt anyone is going to answer that one truthfully..... But, a great philosophical point and question, which I will answer thus;

It depends on how ruthless you are and how you're personal morals and ambition work. To illustrate, I am frequently annoyed by the people who park in the "family" or disabled bays in car parks but clearly don't need them. I have also noted that most of those cars are big, expensive and driven by successful people. My conclusion, they are more "flexible" in their interpretation of the rules than I am and have consequently taken advantage of a situation I did not take advantage of.

I have noted that moral flexability and have decided that maybe I should also be flexible in my approach to certain situations - just to keep up with the rest, obviously,

Jim
chris42  
#3 Posted : 19 November 2013 11:32:33(UTC)
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chris42

I don’t feel I lie, not even to get a job. Having said that we do take credit for what can be team efforts. I do a risk assessment, but I talk to users of the equipment, managers, look at technical documentation supplied with it etc. So was it all my own unique work – no, did I do the risk assessment – yes. Same for other projects, I was the collator / controlling influence /organiser, but on my CV, I did it.

Do I lie at interview – answer :- not as much as they did.

Be happy with your own conscience
hilary  
#4 Posted : 19 November 2013 12:01:31(UTC)
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hilary

I don't lie either. If I haven't done something there is little point in saying that I have because it will come back and bite me. At the same time, I have been in my current job for 24 years so haven't been for interview in a while tbh ....
SHV  
#5 Posted : 19 November 2013 12:10:00(UTC)
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SHV

Elevation

If you say lie and can not do it in practice, the consequence of that lie is much harder than you think..i do not call a person who lie as a professional, because he / she dose not know his limitations NO i do not

SHV
Stedman  
#6 Posted : 19 November 2013 12:20:09(UTC)
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Stedman

I am sure that you have seen plenty of examples of where people clearly get promoted beyond their competence, especially with what is currently discussed in the news today. If you are honest, then there is scope for you to develop and thrive with the necessary support of your colleagues, if you are dishonest there will be plenty of your colleagues just waiting for you to fall.

“There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known”, or be sure your sins will find you out!
SBH  
#7 Posted : 19 November 2013 12:22:27(UTC)
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SBH

One thing to consider is IOSH "Code of Conduct". I rest my case.

SBH
hopeful  
#8 Posted : 19 November 2013 12:49:54(UTC)
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hopeful

I would ensure that the CV is truthful, you could easily be found out you never know what they may follow up. Recently we let someone go because of discrepancies with their CV (don't know the exact details) but they had been with us on a temporary contract previously but were escorted out because of this so beware!
stuie  
#9 Posted : 19 November 2013 12:52:06(UTC)
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stuie

Never lied on paper or in person - CoC as pointed out by SBH; also as well I am always worried that I can never remember what was told to who and when - stick to the truth and you wont go far wrong, yes it might hurt sometimes but the truth is the truth.
Stuart
Nicola Kemmery  
#10 Posted : 19 November 2013 18:44:31(UTC)
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Nicola Kemmery

I'm with Stuart. I couldn't take credit for something that wasn't my work. My body language would give it away and I wouldn't want to be put in a position where I couldn't deliver on expectations.
johnmc  
#11 Posted : 19 November 2013 21:17:26(UTC)
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johnmc

Fully agree with all of the above, I want to be hired for who I am and what I can bring to an organisation, not what they think I can do. If they don't want me for who I am then I do not want to work for them. It can be very easy to believe your own hype. Good luck anyway.
walker  
#12 Posted : 20 November 2013 11:38:09(UTC)
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walker

I'm a lazy sod
Its far easier to tell the truth than perpetuate a lie
I think that dawned on me at about 15
CarlT  
#13 Posted : 20 November 2013 12:02:11(UTC)
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CarlT

I also agree with the above but in all honesty I have lied to get a job when I was a young man and ended being thrown in way over my head. I did prevail in the end and got away with it but I can't really say it was worth it. Following that job I adopted the approach of johnmc, if they don't want what I am I don't want to work there.
Brett Day SP  
#14 Posted : 20 November 2013 12:55:52(UTC)
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Brett Day SP


On the flip side, if only some employers didn't lie, the number of roles that I've come across where the company bills it as a 50/50 mix of CDM and safety only to find it's a CDM only role for example, then the company gets miffed when the employee, finding out the true story promptly leaves. Or the company has a rapid turnover of staff.

One thing that does sadden me is that (especially in the current climate) some employers expect 110% from prospective candidates, yet are less than honest about the role and offer a package that doesn't match the workload or commitment that the company is demanding.

It works both ways, if employees get the feeling that they are being lied to, will they drop to the same level?

Just food for thought / to discuss....
TFCSM  
#15 Posted : 20 November 2013 18:42:00(UTC)
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TFCSM

You can also be too honest.

My boss asked me at interview what my greatest weakness was.

I replied that I am far too honest for my own good,

To which he said 'I don't think that is a weakness'

I said 'I don't care what you think'

^^^
This never happened.
ExDeeps  
#16 Posted : 20 November 2013 22:39:52(UTC)
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ExDeeps

So, by pure coincidence I can back up my premis at #2 with a piece on u tube entitled "money on the mind". Sorry, I can't post a link as my iPad isn't clever enough. However the intro to the piece states "In a series of startling studies, psychologists at the University of California at Berkeley have found that "upper-class individuals behave more unethically than lower-class individuals." Ongoing research is trying to find out what it is about wealth — or lack of it — that makes people behave they way they do.". If I can work out how to get the link I'll post it otherwise you'll just have to search for the quoted "money on the mind" very interesting,

Jim
DP  
#17 Posted : 21 November 2013 07:52:12(UTC)
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DP

I might add that certain companies are not to bothered if applicant lie either – I was part of the interview process for a large company (well known) and the person they applied claimed he was CMIOSH – turned out his was not, applicants who had applied for the job protested – I lodged my complaints as I was part of the process and put this in writing too.

Company did nothing…..
Nimble057  
#18 Posted : 22 November 2013 07:47:58(UTC)
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Nimble057

Having recently returned to the workforce after a year and a bit with a cancer scare; its companys mis-selling themselves that I found the biggest issue; financial turnover; staff numbers; contract sizes; so many companies who don't seem to have a clue what the role is for or what career level it should be aimed at. The markets a joke; there are a few decent agents who'll fight your corner but a lot of them aren't much better
pete48  
#19 Posted : 22 November 2013 11:40:22(UTC)
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pete48

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."

It is often quite obvious to others when tall tales are being told. It is easy to confirm claimed membership levels for example. Reading a c.v. before meeting a person gives one an expectation which can lead to an obvious mismatch if they have 'lied or falsified' on significant matters.

To falsely claim anything is just simply wrong.

However, there is nothing wrong with selling your skills and experience in the most positive light. That's the most important skill in any job application process. And it is much easier to master and maintain.

p48
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