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HR  
#1 Posted : 04 January 2014 15:34:42(UTC)
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HR

Does anyone have any reference to the number of trained firefighters a company should have legally as it's own team? Any detailed answer will be helpful. cheers.
Canopener  
#2 Posted : 04 January 2014 16:32:17(UTC)
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Canopener

I note that your location appears to be outside of the UK, so if your question relates to that region, I don't know the answer. However, for most employers and sites in the UK I would suggest that the answer is 'none'.
Jane Blunt  
#3 Posted : 04 January 2014 16:50:49(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

As Canopener has indicated, the answer depends on what country you are referring to and what industry. Without these two pieces of information, I suggest that no-one can answer the question adequately.
HR  
#4 Posted : 05 January 2014 04:49:52(UTC)
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HR

It's for Asia and for garment industry. I am referring to training on using fire extinguishers, hose reels and 2 1/2" hydrant hoses by local fire brigades to employees. I am interested in knowing what the UK law has to say about this. thanks again.
pradeesh  
#5 Posted : 05 January 2014 06:06:01(UTC)
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pradeesh

HR wrote:
It's for Asia and for garment industry. I am referring to training on using fire extinguishers, hose reels and 2 1/2" hydrant hoses by local fire brigades to employees. I am interested in knowing what the UK law has to say about this. thanks again.
HI HR, If yo u can let the members know about which country you are in, the number will depend upon that. I am in Qatar and I have a different code here than from Dubai ( UAE), if back in India it depends on Indian Factories Act mainly rather than any international standards.... regards Prad
Jane Blunt  
#6 Posted : 05 January 2014 07:26:05(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

HR wrote:
It's for Asia and for garment industry. I am referring to training on using fire extinguishers, hose reels and 2 1/2" hydrant hoses by local fire brigades to employees. I am interested in knowing what the UK law has to say about this. thanks again.
In the UK, for a workplace such as described, there is no requirement to have a specific number of trained employees. See http://www.legislation.g.../2005/1541/contents/made "Fire-fighting and fire detection 13. (1) Where necessary (whether due to the features of the premises, the activity carried on there, any hazard present or any other relevant circumstances) in order to safeguard the safety of relevant persons, the responsible person must ensure that— (a) the premises are, to the extent that it is appropriate, equipped with appropriate fire-fighting equipment and with fire detectors and alarms; and . (b) any non-automatic fire-fighting equipment so provided is easily accessible, simple to use and indicated by signs. . (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1) what is appropriate is to be determined having regard to the dimensions and use of the premises, the equipment contained on the premises, the physical and chemical properties of the substances likely to be present and the maximum number of persons who may be present at any one time. (3) The responsible person must, where necessary— (a) take measures for fire-fighting in the premises, adapted to the nature of the activities carried on there and the size of the undertaking and of the premises concerned; . (b) nominate competent persons to implement those measures and ensure that the number of such persons, their training and the equipment available to them are adequate, taking into account the size of, and the specific hazards involved in, the premises concerned; and . (c) arrange any necessary contacts with external emergency services, particularly as regards fire-fighting, rescue work, first-aid and emergency medical care. . (4) A person is to be regarded as competent for the purposes of paragraph (3)(b) where he has sufficient training and experience or knowledge and other qualities to enable him properly to implement the measures referred to in that paragraph. 2
Frank Hallett  
#7 Posted : 06 January 2014 15:06:26(UTC)
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Frank Hallett

Jane has quoted the relevant parts of the FSO so there's no need to repeat them. All I will add is that as the actual provision of Local Authority or Municipal fire-fighting services is crucial to determining how your on-site fire response will be structured, trained, outfitted and suported; along with the intentions underlying the provision of fire-fighting means and equipment for use by those persons. Given the high-profile fire related events of the last few months in the region identified, I would consider that you should give very carefull consideration to the whole ethos of the implications and expected responses of those at risk when devising and defining your fire response strategy and the not inconsiderable resources requyired to make it any more than a lethal lip-service. I am especially very concerned at the mention of hose-reels and mains hydrants in the context of your post; without a very well-supported and structured range of resources to support this, you could find a bigger disaster occuring than the one that you planned for!! If you wish to discuss this any further, please feel able to contact me via this forum or directly. Frank Hallett
HR  
#8 Posted : 06 January 2014 16:24:04(UTC)
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HR

Great support and information guys.. It is very helpful. Thanks a lot.
malcarleton  
#9 Posted : 08 January 2014 16:16:18(UTC)
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malcarleton

Hi HR, the answer is none,(As Fire Fighters) end of!! I'm based in Saudi Arabia and the training I deliver to our employees regarding fire prevention and safety is limited to the basics of identification, selection and use of hand held fire extinguishers for the particular types of fire they may be faced with in their working environment to effect successful evacuation. That's my workplace (Aerospace & Aviation) Maybe your in Oil & Gas, Onshore, Offshore where different requirements need to be met , but in my business 100% of staff are trained but none of them are fire fighters.
andrewcl  
#10 Posted : 09 January 2014 20:00:33(UTC)
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andrewcl

If I remember rightly from the fire fighting training I've done, the Fire (Scotland) act (and the English version!) says that fire fighting training needs to be provided for staff if the company has more than 30 employees. But in addition to this, we are still told that the best option is to operate the alarm and to then only fight the fire if it is very small or blocking your exit. We have about 1800 people on site, and the nearest full time fire brigade is far enough away that we have our own fire brigade, plus the fact that we have the potential for specialist fires that only they should tackle. If you want details as to the numbers of fire fighters we have, I can make enquiries as to how many and whether there is any guidance on minimum numbers. PM me if you are interested.
Kate.  
#11 Posted : 10 January 2014 13:48:19(UTC)
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Kate.

I can't comment on Scottish legislation but the English legislation definitely does not have the requirement described.
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