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wturner  
#1 Posted : 21 January 2014 15:06:58(UTC)
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wturner

We rarely use step ladders, but we do. Just bought some new aluminium ladders and the steps are riveted in place. I want to put a small stitch weld to each step to add strength.... Are we all okay with this? :)
rodgerker  
#2 Posted : 21 January 2014 15:30:58(UTC)
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rodgerker

Why do you want to take a new piece of equipment and weld it? I would suggest that this action, if taken, would invalidate any guarantee/warranty. Rodger Ker
wturner  
#3 Posted : 21 January 2014 15:32:17(UTC)
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wturner

The rivets holding the steps are just 'mickey mouse'. Adding a stitch weld will make them far more robust. Not concerned over warranty.
jonpsych  
#4 Posted : 21 January 2014 15:40:21(UTC)
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jonpsych

Sorry but why didn't you get a more robust set of steps at the beginning. If you feel the rivets are "mickey mouse" then I would question whether they are fit-for-purpose but then what do I know.
rodgerker  
#5 Posted : 21 January 2014 15:57:27(UTC)
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rodgerker

Sounds like "anyone can buy cheap!" It is far more difficult to buy cost effectively. Buy a "cheap" ladder. Spend an employees time and materials welding it up. Invalidates any guarantee. Add all the costs together and you could have bought a good quality "fit for purpose" ladder in the first place. From what has been said, it looks like a bad buy, and an accident waiting to happen, followed by a claim, and you, by your actions, will probably have provided all the evidence to back-up the claim. Rodger Ker
achrn  
#6 Posted : 22 January 2014 08:34:59(UTC)
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achrn

Assuming you have a welder certified for aluminium, know the grade of the aluminium, have the QA processes for the consumables, do appropriate NDT on the weld afterwards and have done some sort of checking (calculations or prototype testing) that the heat-affected-zone you're now introducing to the aluminium doesn't harm the performance of the steps, then I guess it would be OK. A fatigue check wouldn't go amiss, but if they really are used only occasionally will probably not be a problem. Ten times cheaper to buy suitable kit in the first place, though. Remember that if you weld aluminium of most grades the strength around the weld drops markedly. In the case of, say, H16 temper 3103 alloy the zone around the weld is only 0.3 x 0.8 = 0.24 times the original strength. That's to BS EN 1991-1-1 - see table 3.2a. There's a good chance they are riveted because it's a grade of material that doesn't take kindly to heat (or vice versa - the manufacturer adopted a grade that doesn't like heat, so has avoided welding). To be honest, I think you're more likely to make matters worse than improve them, but you'll probably get away with it if you really want to.
achrn  
#7 Posted : 22 January 2014 09:00:28(UTC)
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achrn

achrn wrote:
There's a good chance they are riveted because it's a grade of material that doesn't take kindly to heat (or vice versa - the manufacturer adopted a grade that doesn't like heat, so has avoided welding).
That's confusing - I meant that either they chose to rivet and that opened the possibility of using a grade that doesn't like being welded, or they chose a grade of material that didn't like being welded and that caused them to choose riveting. It doesn't much matter - the point is, if they aren't welded already, it may well be that the material doesn't react well to welding.
CarlT  
#8 Posted : 22 January 2014 12:01:51(UTC)
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CarlT

If the step ladders you have purchased conform to either Class 1 or EN 131 then they will have been designed, manufactured and tested to stringent guidelines. This being the case, I can't understand why you would want to alter them and if you do and they break when in use and someone gets hurt, you and not the manufacturer, will be in big trouble. If they don't conform to either Class 1 or EN 131 then may I suggest you return them to where you got them and get some that do.
frankc  
#9 Posted : 23 January 2014 20:57:48(UTC)
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frankc

wturner wrote:
The rivets holding the steps are just 'mickey mouse'. Adding a stitch weld will make them far more robust. Not concerned over warranty.
Should that be "Adding a stitch weld will make them more robust IN MY OPINION" Why not contact the manufacturer of the steps and ask if your handywork will strengthen or weaken them.
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