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Hi all,
This is an area I'm currently looking into. What are your views?
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Why just London, however make suitable safety mirrors obligatory on all lorries not just new ones and subsidised Rail freight services would be another.
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BJC wrote:Why just London, however make suitable safety mirrors obligatory on all lorries not just new ones and subsidised Rail freight services would be another.
Hi BJC,
Very true, should be rolled out in all cities, but owing to the recent number of deaths London is a hot spot.
I do wish also the cyclists would be included in this scheme, they should also be held accountable for their actions, just yesterday I seen a cyclist cup up the inside of a bus turning left at a set of lights, and might I add wearing no hi-vis clothing.
No driver goes to work with the intention of knocking/killing a cyclist, there should be City Safety for all Road Users, and cyclists should have number plates so they can be fined for their unsafe actions (like jumping lights)
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Whilst not overly familiar with the details of the scheme, I agree with the the sentiments that where cyclists and HGVs/buses share the same roadspace, the skills, experience and awareness of both vehicle operators are the major contributory factors if the two collide.
And such a collision is invariably a bad day out for both parties; one more physical and the other no doubt more physcological.
Yet the blame for any such collision can only ever be considered on a case by case basis; Having been both I've experienced reckless behaviour from both angles and can see both sides of the argument but to my mind the only way to ever mitigate such collisions is physical seperation of the two.
Which is the nub of the issue as HGVs need to deliver everything we need and use in our day to day lives and buses are an integral part of any public transport system; cyclists reduce congestion and help reduce journey times.
Deliveries at night? That would mean every business opening to receive such deliveries so many more of us working nights. And wouldn't some of those workers cycle to work? I can assure you hard enough to see a cyclist from the cab of a 44t artic in central London during the day, let alone on a rain soaked winter night.
With no money or political will to build physical seperation (i.e. cycle paths) education seems to be the way forward. by no means ideal, but when I see cyclists abound not even bothering with lights after dark and buses charging through junctions like they're on their way to a fire, there is clearly a long way to go.
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wizzpete wrote:Whilst not overly familiar with the details of the scheme, I agree with the the sentiments that where cyclists and HGVs/buses share the same roadspace, the skills, experience and awareness of both vehicle operators are the major contributory factors if the two collide.
And such a collision is invariably a bad day out for both parties; one more physical and the other no doubt more physcological.
Yet the blame for any such collision can only ever be considered on a case by case basis; Having been both I've experienced reckless behaviour from both angles and can see both sides of the argument but to my mind the only way to ever mitigate such collisions is physical seperation of the two.
Which is the nub of the issue as HGVs need to deliver everything we need and use in our day to day lives and buses are an integral part of any public transport system; cyclists reduce congestion and help reduce journey times.
Deliveries at night? That would mean every business opening to receive such deliveries so many more of us working nights. And wouldn't some of those workers cycle to work? I can assure you hard enough to see a cyclist from the cab of a 44t artic in central London during the day, let alone on a rain soaked winter night.
With no money or political will to build physical seperation (i.e. cycle paths) education seems to be the way forward. by no means ideal, but when I see cyclists abound not even bothering with lights after dark and buses charging through junctions like they're on their way to a fire, there is clearly a long way to go.
Its mostly aimed at the older style HGV's, and mostly construction industry, which I cannot see operating at night (granted The Shard operated a 24hour concrete pour system). There is no physical space for segregation, so like you say education is the only route, and I dont think any one road should be omitted, i.e. car drivers/buses/vans/lorries/push bikes/motor bikes etc, all should attend.
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