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It looks like Dumb bartonshire council has tried to be clever.
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There is a maxumum length of the "going" and rmaximum gradient ratio for ramps to be used by wheelchair users, Ref "BS 8300: Design of buildings and their approaches to meet the needs of disabled people — Code of practice"
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No individual flight of a ramp should have a going of more than 10 m or a rise of more than 500 mm.
No series of ramps to a building should rise in total more than 2 m. If a series of ramp flights rise more
than 2 m an alternative means of access, such as a lift, should be provided.
There is also a spec when handrails should be provided.
Perhaps the council has provided with a ramp system that meets the specs which the media is not interestred in as it does not make good news
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Think the cost may be an exaggeration as this was discussed on BBC Radio today - one of those involved in the tender process stated that cost was nearer to £27k - I won't comment on the design.
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Like all media stories, there may well be more to this than meets the eye. But from the account here, surely the costs of the ramp or compliance with building regs is all secondary to the needs of this child.
It's plain common sense that she should have been housed in a more appropriate dwelling, even if the family had to wait a little longer or moved a little further away
The ramp is ridiculous and ugly - in fact it's so long its almost unusable (except for a theme park queuing system)
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Aside from the obvious design issues; it is also apparent that no-one involved in the design of the ziggurat ramp actually took into account the issue of the energy required to control a wheelchair coming down nor going back up!
On the face of it a classic case of being a "competent engineer" with no understanding of the interaction of people with the "cure"! No different to a huge number of modifications [official and unofficial] to machinery that attract censure, enforcement notices and prosecution in the workplace really - just a very public example with a "Civil" imperative.
At a local DWP office, the ramp for those who are ambulatory impaired is actually quite good for surface, gradient, handrails etc. But the width is barely sufficient for a standard wheelchair and has no room for passing except at the top of the steep flight of stairs immediately outside the outward opending exit doors! I really wish we could upload photos directly to this!
These examples of inappropriate "reasonable adjustments" abound; especially in Local and Central Govt; although I've also seen some incredibly effective and imaginative measures as well.
Let's get some examples of really good "reasonable adjustments" up to compare!
Frank Hallett
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Frank Hallett wrote:Aside from the obvious design issues; it is also apparent that no-one involved in the design of the ziggurat ramp actually took into account the issue of the energy required to control a wheelchair coming down nor going back up!
Actually, it's precisely because of taking account of that issue that you end up with such a monstrosity. There's a maximum gradient, and a maximum length between level landings where someone going up or down can pause.
The council report that they only put the family in this house after the family said they could manage the steps to the front door.
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Well Victor didn't say it so I will:
I.........don't beleeeive it!
Someone needs the sack IMHO
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Thank you for the additional comment ACHRN - very timely.
However, your well-stated comment also underlines to me the point that strict adherence to Guidance without also thinking about the overall effort required to actually negotiate the ramp [in either direction, but especially upwards] also requires consideration of the physical fitness of those acting as the motive power and also how any adverse weather [Dumbarton does get adverse weather!] may affect their stamina.
The comment that the family could negotiate the steps has now become irrelevant as it appears that the steps are no longer in use. Also, if they could negotiate the steps, why the ramps construction? There appears to be a logical conundrum here! And there are a number of reasons why the family may [if they really did] have said that the steps were OK - at the time.
Also, the LA has now bought themselves a monstrous, ongoing maintenance need. Does anyone know if there is a planned maintenance programme with appropriate financing for this structure?
Frank Hallett
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Frank Hallett wrote:
The comment that the family could negotiate the steps has now become irrelevant as it appears that the steps are no longer in use. Also, if they could negotiate the steps, why the ramps construction? There appears to be a logical conundrum here! And there are a number of reasons why the family may [if they really did] have said that the steps were OK - at the time.
As I understand it, the family needed housing, the house became available, the family said the steps were fine and the house was suitable, the family moved in, the family announced that the steps were impossible and they needed a ramp, the council provided a ramp.
I'm not really sure what all those howling in outrage think should have happened? The options seem to be:
1: Refuse to put the family in an available house they said they wanted and was suitable. Can you imagine the outrage then - disabled child refused housing because council busy-bodies refuse to believe the child's carers about what is suitable.
2: Take the family out of the house. Headlines then: disabled child evicted from house because penny-pinching council will not provide a ramp.
3: Take the family out of the house and evict some other family from some other house to make room for them - hard-working family evicted from council house to make way for disabled child
4: Build a ramp that does not comply with current guidelines - council idiots build ramp that doesn't meet rules and is too steep to get up.
Who should be sacked? As far as I can see the only parties that haven't acted in a completely rationally sensible way are the parents who said the steps were fine until they moved in and then demanded a ramp.
A galvanised steel well-drained ramp has negligible maintenance. You'll need to replace it in 30 years or so, but it won't need anything until then unless a car drives into it or vandals attack it.
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Frank Hallett wrote: Also, the LA has now bought themselves a monstrous, ongoing maintenance need. Does anyone know if there is a planned maintenance programme with appropriate financing for this structure?
Maintenance doesn't have to be via PPM!
Maybe after risk assessment, they've decided the most appropriate maintenance regime is a breakdown maintenance regime :-)
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And "rules is rules" ....
Local Housing Association office - nice compliant ramp at the correct angle. However, the pavement it leads to ....
http://goo.gl/maps/7kW3O
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"It looks like Dumb bartonshire"
Carl, it is Dunbartonshire.
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