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Hello to all in IOSH land. Just a quick message regarding Dutch language MSDS. Can anyone advise on a suitable website that produces/has access to Dutch language MSDS. I am basically completing a COSHH census for one of our assetts that is moving in to Dutch waters. Apparently Dutch SoDM regualtions state that we also need to hold REACH compliant Dutch MSDS for all our COSHH onboard. Aside from trying our suppliers of COSHH is it proving to be very difficult. Any assistance would be greatly received.
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Unfortunately you need to contact your suppliers - either the manufacturer or the distributor from whom you purchase the items. They have the legal duty to provide a Safety Data Sheet for materials classified as hazardous in the language of the country of use.
Note that REACH compliant SDS may not be available for all mixtures as the regulations do not come in to force until June 2015 and even then mixtures already on the market (in the supply chain) can be supported by a non REACH complaint SDS until June 2017. Only "substances" are currently required to be supported by a REACH complaint SDS.
SDS preparation involves a lot of data handling for classification so it would be unlikely that any web site would immediately have the "off the shelf" answers you are looking for.
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Unfortunately you need to contact your suppliers - either the manufacturer or the distributor from whom you purchase the items. They have the legal duty to provide a Safety Data Sheet for materials classified as hazardous in the language of the country of use.
Note that REACH compliant SDS may not be available for all mixtures as the regulations do not come in to force until June 2015 and even then mixtures already on the market (in the supply chain) can be supported by a non REACH complaint SDS until June 2017. Only "substances" are currently required to be supported by a REACH complaint SDS.
SDS preparation involves a lot of data handling for classification so it would be unlikely that any web site would immediately have the "off the shelf" answers you are looking for.
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Roundtuit is correct!
May I suggest a visit to the Chemical Hazard Communication Society website - this could help considerably.
Frank Hallett
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Try the websites of some of the larger chemical suppliers eg Fisher or Sigma-Aldrich.
If you use the Sigma website you can search for the substance in question, then change your country and the msds appears in the language of your choice.
Although they have the msds for thousands of chemicals - they are unlikely to have many, if any, for proprietary products such as cleaners or adhesives.
Ian
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From personal experience I would strongly advise against the type of search suggested - invariably documents located via generalised web searches can be significantly out of date, in the wrong format and more importantly missing vital information relevant to the jurisdiction where the material is being / to be used (e.g. for the UK EH40 - Work Place Exposure Limits).
As REACH designates the responsibilities of actors (manufacturer, formulator, distributor etc.) with regards to the communication of hazard information it is always best practice to source any SDS requirements from the next link in the supply chain so you are working with the best available knowledge from the provider.
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From personal experience I would strongly advise against the type of search suggested - invariably documents located via generalised web searches can be significantly out of date, in the wrong format and more importantly missing vital information relevant to the jurisdiction where the material is being / to be used (e.g. for the UK EH40 - Work Place Exposure Limits).
As REACH designates the responsibilities of actors (manufacturer, formulator, distributor etc.) with regards to the communication of hazard information it is always best practice to source any SDS requirements from the next link in the supply chain so you are working with the best available knowledge from the provider.
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I was not advocating a general search for a product on the search engine of your choice. I agree that turns up all sorts of documents.
But searching for a substance MSDS on the websites of these large suppliers is not a generalised search. It is a product specific search for a particular substance and will generate an MSDS for that substance compliant for the jurisdiction specified – including an issue date and in the correct format.
I would also agree that getting the MSDS direct from your supplier may well be best practice, but it is not always so. The local supplier of - say Sodium Hydroxide - may be unwilling or unable to provide a translation of their UK MSDS and indeed why should they if it is not they who are exporting the substance to Holland.
I also said that a search for a proprietary product - say “Fred’s caustic cleaner”- on these suppliers websites is not likely to turn up the document required (unless of course they actually distribute it.).
The original poster required REACH compliant MSDS in Dutch, for the benefit of the Dutch authorities. Trying these two websites is a possible solution.
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Search "Acetone" = 31 results. Sodium Hydroxide and the grade / origin and resultant heavy metal contamination may impact upon process or products.
Many unhappy hours educating the (out of country) R&D department not to use these sites but to provide the actual supplier SDS with project forms to enable materials to be accurately (including COSHH / Environmentally) assessed prior to any operational use.
The web request page on S-A also makes interesting reading: "Material Safety Data Sheets are provided according to OSHA 29 CFR 1910.1200" - so not EC 1272/2008 as the O.P. was seeking.
Within GHS / REACH / CLP hazard information is communicated on an SDS - the terms MSDS and (M)SDS are being dropped internationally.
Substances supported by an EC 1272/2008 SDS must be made available in the language of the country of use so I fully agree the only reason the current supplier would not have a Dutch language SDS is if they do not supply the material to Holland - so back to the O.P. how do you conduct a valid COSHH assessment based upon an SDS for a material that is not actually available?
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Search "Acetone" = 31 results. Sodium Hydroxide and the grade / origin and resultant heavy metal contamination may impact upon process or products.
Many unhappy hours educating the (out of country) R&D department not to use these sites but to provide the actual supplier SDS with project forms to enable materials to be accurately (including COSHH / Environmentally) assessed prior to any operational use.
The web request page on S-A also makes interesting reading: "Material Safety Data Sheets are provided according to OSHA 29 CFR 1910.1200" - so not EC 1272/2008 as the O.P. was seeking.
Within GHS / REACH / CLP hazard information is communicated on an SDS - the terms MSDS and (M)SDS are being dropped internationally.
Substances supported by an EC 1272/2008 SDS must be made available in the language of the country of use so I fully agree the only reason the current supplier would not have a Dutch language SDS is if they do not supply the material to Holland - so back to the O.P. how do you conduct a valid COSHH assessment based upon an SDS for a material that is not actually available?
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