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jacqui  
#1 Posted : 12 March 2014 10:32:33(UTC)
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jacqui

Hi Staff have been pulled up about their uniform appearance so have asked if they could have an iron and ironing board in their Staff Changing room which also have showers and toilets. The issues I see are - the user and their understanding on how to put up/down an ironing board with potential trapped fingers and crushed toes, and the potential of burns whilst ironing; and the cooling of the iron - suggested wall bracket for the iron. I have 2 queries - is this common practice in industry to allow staff to iron uniforms on business and with business supplied equipment; and does 'the iron' come under PUWER Class 1 (any idea where I can review the list please) and therefore should the ironing facility be allowed or not be allowed? Many Thanks Jacqui
JJ Prendergast  
#2 Posted : 12 March 2014 10:55:55(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

If your organisation require staff to look 'smart' in ironed clothing and the possibility of providing ironing facilities is under consideration - then why should it be banned?? Its how you manage the perceived risk. I am assuming this is a 'normal' workplace - not a childrens nursery etc or people with mental health problems. Sure if your organisation provides the equipment, then yes - the equipment has to be 'safe' and suitable or the task i.e. electrically safe for the iron (PAT test) and mechanically safe for the ironing board & iron But really lets not over complicate the issue - I would suggest the vast majority of households/adults have access to irons and ironing boards and use them quite safely. Ironing is an 'everyday' activity. But, lets face it - who hasn't had the odd nipped finger from an 'aggressive' ironing board as you fold it up? Likewise the odd spatter of steam from an iron or glancing touch with a hot plate of an iron. The main issue I see, is keeping the electrical iron away from the showers and toilets i.e. carry out the activity in a suitable area, adequate space so other people don't bump into the person ironing. But please, a little common sense, ironing is an everyday activity - manage accordingly. Why does it alway come down to banning something??
NickH  
#3 Posted : 12 March 2014 11:09:57(UTC)
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NickH

Plenty of simple solutions around. http://www.wallmountedironingboard.co.uk/ *Other manufacturers are available
jay  
#4 Posted : 12 March 2014 11:46:18(UTC)
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jay

What about addressing the potential root cause, i.e what is the dress code (if any!) regarding the uniforms , does it include "ironed clothes" etc and who is responsible for ironing the uniforms.
pl53  
#5 Posted : 12 March 2014 11:59:58(UTC)
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pl53

Jacqui Getting back to basics. Who is responsible for laundering the uniforms. Is it the company or is it the employee? That said, doesn't laundering also include ironing? Why does the uniform have to be ironed on site, surely it should be done immediately following washing and drying at the place where it is washed and dried. This whole thing seems to be a needless complication
jacqui  
#6 Posted : 12 March 2014 12:14:11(UTC)
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jacqui

hi Thanks for all your comments. It is a normal workplace. The employee performs their own laundry and many travel in on bikes thus their uniform can sometimes get a little creased. from the H&S aspect, everyone should be applying common sense and a duty of care to themselves and others. Most people have these items already at home. The only issues I see are - ensuring a 'cooling' iron is in a wall bracket to save any burns or hazard to others and that it is located in a sensible safe place. However, Maintenance dept has quoted PUWER Class 1 as reasons not to fit, that the iron is a high risk workplace piece of equipment, requires formal discussion for installation, power and use. A simple solution has turned into a H&S mightmare without H&S dept causing it. Many thanks to all for comments
JJ Prendergast  
#7 Posted : 12 March 2014 12:22:16(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

SOunds like your maintenance department are just making excuses not to help you. An iron 'high risk' - really? I despair!! Just go back to them/your organisation - and tell them there are no 'real' h&s issues - its then a company decision.
jacqui  
#8 Posted : 12 March 2014 12:27:46(UTC)
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jacqui

hi Thanks for all your comments. It is a normal workplace. The employee performs their own laundry and many travel in on bikes thus their uniform can sometimes get a little creased. from the H&S aspect, everyone should be applying common sense and a duty of care to themselves and others. Most people have these items already at home. The only issues I see are - ensuring a 'cooling' iron is in a wall bracket to save any burns or hazard to others and that it is located in a sensible safe place. However, Maintenance dept has quoted PUWER Class 1 as reasons not to fit, that the iron is a high risk workplace piece of equipment, requires formal discussion for installation, power and use. A simple solution has turned into a H&S mightmare without H&S dept causing it. Many thanks to all for comments
Kate.  
#9 Posted : 12 March 2014 13:46:51(UTC)
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Kate.

I've never heard of PUWER Class 1. What is it?
pl53  
#10 Posted : 12 March 2014 13:57:17(UTC)
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pl53

They are probably talking about IEC classifications of electrical equipment. This deals with the different earthing requirements. Class 1 items must have their chassis connected to earth by a separate earth connector, eg a 3 pin plug with earth connection. Or so I am told
NickH  
#11 Posted : 12 March 2014 14:40:50(UTC)
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NickH

http://www.ikea.com/gb/e...talog/products/90090384/ ...combined with a wall mounted ironing board should allevbiate any problems. As has previously been stated; ironing is an every day task which most adults should be familiar with. As long as any installed equipment is suitably maintained, I don't really see a problem.
NickH  
#12 Posted : 12 March 2014 14:42:18(UTC)
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NickH

* alleviate - oh for an edit function!
A Kurdziel  
#13 Posted : 12 March 2014 15:16:27(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Yes, ironing is an everyday but the way you do something at home is different from the way it is done at work. Think about how you would change a light bulb at home and how you would expect it to be changed in a workplace. So we can start with the hierarchy of controls to deal with this risk. The first question is can we eliminate the risk. So the point rasied by Jay and PL53 valid.. is getting the staff to iron their own uniforms, at work, such a good idea? If we have decided that it is then we can look at the equipment that would be needed… iron and ironing board. These are now work equipment so PUWER applies ( Cat 1 is a red herring) . Before we acquire the equipment, we have ton decide what sort of iron we want, taking into account the people who will be using it and the amount of use it will get eg do you want a steam iron or not? Are you in hard water area and will the iron need a supply of deionised water or to be regularly treated? Who will be responsible for ensuring that the iron is maintained and kept in a safe condition? Will it need PAT testing and how often? Are you staff familiar with ironing? Don’t assume that everybody has used an iron before. So the answer is yes of course you can use an iron in the workplace ( it is as several people have pointed out not the most hazardous piece of equipment that people work with) but I not convinced just telling people to get on with it is right either.
David Bannister  
#14 Posted : 12 March 2014 15:25:45(UTC)
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David Bannister

I'm not surprised that cyclists look a little rumpled on arrival at work if they wear their uniforms on the strenuous journey. Plus they probably smell a bit too! Showers & changing facilities may be a solution to both problems. Jaqui, your Group listing is Sports Grounds & Events so maybe these facilities are already in place at your work.
Mr.Flibble  
#15 Posted : 12 March 2014 15:29:24(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

No different to having a toaster or kettle in the staff kitchen or tea room! These aren't band and don't come with a SSOW or training sign off.......or do they?? maybe i'm just too lax!
firesafety101  
#16 Posted : 12 March 2014 15:46:32(UTC)
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firesafety101

When I was a Station Officer in the fire brigade I cycled to work. I didn't wear my uniform on the bike as it would get dirty, sweaty etc. and as there was a white shirt involved this would just not do. I folded my shirt etc. and placed it inside a plastic carrier bag, put it it the pannier and on arrival at the fire station I took it out of the pannier and it was as clean and smart as if it was just ironed. No problem to me why can't these employee cyclists do the same? Don't they smell while at work if wearing their uniforms on the bike?
jay  
#17 Posted : 12 March 2014 16:11:09(UTC)
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jay

Workplace (Health and Safety and Welfare) Regulations Regulation 23 & 24:- .......... where an employee has to wear special clothing (such as a uniform) for the purpose of work, then suitable and sufficient changing facilities should be made available. In addition, where special clothing has to be worn, secure facilities for storing the personal clothing should be available. http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l24.pdf Please note that uniforms are "special clothing"
hilary  
#18 Posted : 13 March 2014 12:10:09(UTC)
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hilary

The only issue I can see here is that of someone unintentionally leaving the iron on and this causing a fire. Ironing is not a high risk activity and I agree with Mr Flibble that it should fit in with using a kettle or a toaster at work. Let's be honest, the worst that can happen is a small burn, unless it is left on in which case you have a potential fire hazard. I would, therefore, recommend a timer switch so that the iron is on for, say, 5 minutes, at which time it turns off and the switch has to be reset to continue ironing. This way, unless someone is physically using the iron, the longest it will be left on post usage is 5 minutes. See link below: http://www.technotrend.c.../pages/n_prod/tcs40.html As for the ironing board - is there any reason you cannot have a fixed item which does not need to be put up and down constantly. Just make this an ironing board which is bolted into place and at a convenient height for most people. For the amount of time this is used by the employees you will not have ergonomic issues and you have eliminated the possibility of catching your fingers in the mechanism. It seems pretty straightforward to me and will earn you some brownie points with the staff for listening and implementing their wishes.
firesafety101  
#19 Posted : 13 March 2014 14:18:40(UTC)
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firesafety101

IMO this is a HR issue first and H&S second. Try going backwards a little to see if issuing the equipment is acceptable then do your risk assessment. I don't think original permission and purchase is a H&S matter?
godscrasher  
#20 Posted : 14 March 2014 17:23:24(UTC)
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godscrasher

Hotels can provide irons and ironing boards along with corby trouser presses. I've not heard of a hotel burning down or claims from burning hands. If this is done sensibly with input from the staff on the best way to deal with this, it could be very achievable. Possibly look for a timer socket which works the same way as a corby trouser press where you get 5 minutes of ironing before it switches off. Don't go through mountains of paperwork with the staff detailing how to use an iron as you'll just make a mockery of H&S. The more thought that has gone into the detailing of the installation (auto switch off, durable heavy duty commercial iron/steamer, mountable iron board and iron holder) the less instructions the staff need. What about having 'ironing days' when one person will iron clothes for a certain period of time. This will reduce any risk.
DP  
#21 Posted : 15 March 2014 08:29:16(UTC)
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DP

Having irons and small steaming devices are very common in retail, especially fashion retail. Never seen as a problem, I have never seen a regulator have a problem with it either. Slightly different circumstance on use here I agree but for having irons in work if required no issue. Make sure it's fit for purpose and it no different to any other tool. As previous post states most hotels have ironing rooms.
CarlT  
#22 Posted : 15 March 2014 19:46:01(UTC)
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CarlT

JJ Prendergast wrote:
If your organisation require staff to look 'smart' in ironed clothing and the possibility of providing ironing facilities is under consideration - then why should it be banned?? Its how you manage the perceived risk. I am assuming this is a 'normal' workplace - not a childrens nursery etc or people with mental health problems. Sure if your organisation provides the equipment, then yes - the equipment has to be 'safe' and suitable or the task i.e. electrically safe for the iron (PAT test) and mechanically safe for the ironing board & iron But really lets not over complicate the issue - I would suggest the vast majority of households/adults have access to irons and ironing boards and use them quite safely. Ironing is an 'everyday' activity.
Bang on JJ, I can't see any problem with it so long as it is properly managed. Sure employees could organise their own ironing at home but sometimes it is a good thing to allow them a bit of making the work environment their own. I worked for a plant hire company that allowed employees to wash their own cars with the pressure washer so long as they did so in their own time with the correct ppe and were trained to use the machine. They could have washed the car at home but it was more convenient for them to do it at work and as long as it was managed properly it was fine. The result was the employees thought the company was great for allowing them to do it.
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