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I am looking to get a feel for how companies are dealing with E Cigarettes in the workplace. Please could you answer the following - simple yes or no please.
Does your company allow the use of e cigarettes indoors in the workplace?
If you could also indicate the number of employees your company has that would be great
Thanks for help
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No - treated the same way as smoking in the workplace
450 employees
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It's only about a month since this topic was last raised on the forum. it appears every 2 months or so and generates much heat.
Currently it is down to individual businesses what they do about e-cigarettes on their property. There is no legislation on these devices there are many arguments pro and con about whether e-cigarettes should be allowed and there are the ramifications of a local ban eg how are you going to enforce it, what are you going to do about people who flout it, how do you inform visitors etc etc.
The only new thing is this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-26837682 from the BBC informing us that the Welsh government is thinking of placing restrictions on e-cigarettes. Whether it will be the same as for proper cigarettes( including a ban in works vehicles) and how it would work if you straddle the border between England and Wales I will leave up to other people to discuss
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Thanks for responses so far.
I do appreciate that this topic has been discussed before.
My company is wanting further research on what otherr companies are doing before reviewing their smoking policy - hence the question
If you could take a few moments to let me know what your company is doing that will be much appreciated
Thanks again
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OK; we treat them the same as normal cigarettes ie they are banned in doors and can only be used outdoors. We have about 750 people on site.
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No, we treat them the same as normal cigarettes so they are banned inside our different premises and can only be used in our smoking shelters.
We have 500 employees on this site.
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Not permitted (18,500 employees).
That's no reason for your company to jump on the bandwagon though.
Many Organisations are now discriminating against those making genuine attempts to improve their health. Tobacco smokers are afforded a shelter, those who choose to "vape" are out in the rain.
Content of Vapour mixes = pharmaceutical nicotine & glycerine, food standard flavourings and distilled water. About as harmful and offensive as a steaming cup of coffee or cocoa.
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We have 1,000 employees and we treat the use of e-cigarettes as we would normal cigarettes; not allowed indoors and users must move away from doorways when they are using them outside.
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We dont have a Policy but e-smokers do smoke in the canteen. It does look unprofessional nowadays if anyone smokes at their machine or workstation so that isn't allowed.
Just over 100 employees
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Ron, has there been any studies on these vaporizers? It would be interesting to read through. I haven’t come across anything yet? in my eyes its completely unregulated therefore potentially unsafe
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If you have premises in Wales you may want to look at the announcement in the new White Paper where e-cigs are proposed to follow "normal" tobacco products and be banned in doors.
No we do not allow e-cigs indoors - despite their multi coloured tips the potential for confusion at a distance is too great (plus we have DSEAR zone 0 in the factory!)
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If you have premises in Wales you may want to look at the announcement in the new White Paper where e-cigs are proposed to follow "normal" tobacco products and be banned in doors.
No we do not allow e-cigs indoors - despite their multi coloured tips the potential for confusion at a distance is too great (plus we have DSEAR zone 0 in the factory!)
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yes (but not when clients are in the building or in meetings). Only 25.
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This why HS has got such a bad reputation. Banning vapourisers for no cogent reason make a complete mockery of the safety world; can we ban nicotine patches aswell ?
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Aleeman wrote:No
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Ron, has there been any studies on these vaporizers? It would be interesting to read through. I haven’t come across anything yet? in my eyes its completely unregulated therefore potentially unsafe
They are unregulated and WHO and BMA are cautious in that respect - although the more cynical may suggest there are vested interests at play here.
There is of course considerable irony within the premise 'that which is unregulated may be unsafe'.
Alcoholic Beverages; Tobacco Industry; Food Industry (w.r.t. fat/sugar content); all regulated & all with significant potential for harm, however the ultimate choice rests with the consumer.
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Nothing has been banned, I think the approach is that these are treated as normal cigs therefore used outside. Until actually proven there is no passive 'vaping' risks id support the decisions. Although this was decided by our HR Dept not H&S.
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Thanks all for replies - most useful
John Dobson
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With reference to the comment """banning vapourisers for no cogent reason make a complete mockery of the safety world; can we ban nicotine patches as well"""
there is tonnes of research out there to justify 'banning' [if you want to use that word] such products via health, fire and environmental areas tom say the least and yes they appear to be safer than traditional cigs but that does not make them safe it just means that they are not as bad as traditional cigs
treated as if they are cigs with >9000 FTE's
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John, with a slightly different slant:
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bob youel wrote:With reference to the comment """banning vapourisers for no cogent reason make a complete mockery of the safety world; can we ban nicotine patches as well"""
there is tonnes of research out there to justify 'banning' [if you want to use that word] such products via health, fire and environmental areas tom say the least and yes they appear to be safer than traditional cigs but that does not make them safe it just means that they are not as bad as traditional cigs
treated as if they are cigs with >9000 FTE's
Bob, I have yet to see any tangible evidence that e-cigarretes are harmful to the user or others. Furthermore, there is evidence that e-cigs do help people quit smoking which must be a good thing. It seems to me the banning of this product in public places is premature and typical of the 'let's ban it' brigade. Meanwhile, we have GM crops all over the country and we don't really know what long term effects there might be with GM food.
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RayRapp wrote:bob youel wrote:...Meanwhile, we have GM crops all over the country and we don't really know what long term effects there might be with GM food.
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There are no GM crops growing in UK fields. There are GM tomatoes which are grown in glasshouses under controlled conditions and there have been trial plots in fields but no commercial crops.
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A Kurdziel wrote:OK; we treat them the same as normal cigarettes ie they are banned in doors and can only be used outdoors. We have about 750 people on site.
I have just had an email confirming the use of e-cigarettes in workplaces will be banned throughout the civil service( not just our site) so that's 412,000 employees
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Yes - 160 eees
They've stopped people smoking so risk to health has been reduced
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A Kurdziel wrote:RayRapp wrote:bob youel wrote:...Meanwhile, we have GM crops all over the country and we don't really know what long term effects there might be with GM food.
RayRapp
There are no GM crops growing in UK fields. There are GM tomatoes which are grown in glasshouses under controlled conditions and there have been trial plots in fields but no commercial crops.
Thank you for the correction. However, GM trial plots with or without food products does constitute to an unknown risk from accidental contamination does it not?
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RayRapp wrote:A Kurdziel wrote:RayRapp wrote:bob youel wrote:...Meanwhile, we have GM crops all over the country and we don't really know what long term effects there might be with GM food.
RayRapp
There are no GM crops growing in UK fields. There are GM tomatoes which are grown in glasshouses under controlled conditions and there have been trial plots in fields but no commercial crops.
Thank you for the correction. However, GM trial plots with or without food products does constitute to an unknown risk from accidental contamination does it not?
This is probably the wrong place for this discussion but the risk is not unknown.
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My mother in law was informed by a Senior hospital consultant to use the e ciggies, when she was having surgery to remove some of her leg veins. They are safer to use than real cigarettes and helped her to stop smoking.
She took this as positive direction and never has the darned thing out of her hand/mouth.
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50 Staff & No not allowed, viewed the same as tobacco products.
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When I was asked about this I applied the "Hester Test" (the name of my baby daughter): would I be happy with someone holding her while "smoking" one of these.
My answer and everyone else's answer is a resounding "No".
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No - treated the same as real cig smokers. 1200 employees
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With regards to "can we ban nicotine patches aswell", we would ban people from applying nicotine patches to other people without their consent, if anyone proposed doing so. If anyone tried burning incense at their desk I expect that would get banned too. Forcing everyone round-about to breathe uncontrolled fumes and vapours is not an acceptable behaviour, imo.
We've had a no smoking in the office rule since the mid-70s (I'm told, I've only been here since the 80s).
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No, 3,000 paid and 30,000 voluntary,
John
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No. Treated the same as normal cigarettes. The reasons being that it's a dirty environment and we don't want people putting things in their mouths, and from a distance you can't tell if it's a lit cigarette or an e cigarette and we are pretty paranoid about fire.
160 Permanent staff and up to 100 agency each day
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No (but we have no policy one way or the other).
25,000 people in the UK.
My take on them is once they are regulated, we will see regular cigarette sales go through the floor, the long term proposition for e-cigs is good, all the 'benefit' of nicotene without the carcinogenic smoke that goes with it.
However, before we approve of these being used any differently to cigarettes, or allowed into workplaces and bars, we need to see research on the health effects of inhaling nicotene in this way, and into possible secondary effects.
Then we need to see regulation of sales and manufacturing quality being subject to review and oversight.
Once these tests have been satisfied then I wont have any problem allowing people to use them (within reason) at work.
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