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creative2  
#1 Posted : 30 April 2014 22:05:16(UTC)
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creative2

If there is a positive finding on legionella sampling is it a requirement to close the building whilst the cleaning and resampling takes place, over a period of 2 weeks? Or is it down to risk assessment and identifying whether this would be required to maintain safety for staff? I have had a good look around but have not found anything definitive so I am inclined to the latter but would appreciate any advice from others who are more experienced in legionella issues. with thanks Andy
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 01 May 2014 10:17:56(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

We have just found a higher level of legionella in one of our buildings and we took the second approach. Assess the risk to the people working in there and decided to allow them to continue working there while we treated the problem. if this was for example a hospital with vulnerable people then we might have considered closing the building down but we are not so we didn't.
jwk  
#3 Posted : 01 May 2014 12:32:38(UTC)
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jwk

Last summer we got a count of 112,000 at an outlet in one of our Hospices. We didn't shut down, though we considered it. What we did is, we closed down the boilers, fortunately it was summer and we didn't need the heating. We hired in temporary water heaters, which look like yellow wheelie bins and once running operate without needing to be filled (cold water is piped in). We temporarily stopped admissions until it became clear that we had the risk under control, but we determined that it would be more dangerous to move the people already in the Hospice than to leave them where they were. At the same time of course we set in train the works needed to solve the problem permanently, in our case that took three weeks CQC and HSE were happy with our temporary arrangements So I would say that it's about whether you can control the risk. A bottling plant, for example, might need to close as it's hard to see how an alternative source of sufficient water could be provided, but in most cases I would think alternative water supply arrangements can be made, even in high-risk healthcare premises, John
Canopener  
#4 Posted : 01 May 2014 16:02:31(UTC)
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Canopener

You don’t say where you got the positive count or what the count was but I assume (as have others I think) that you are referring to hot/cold water systems. Your actions will normally depend on the count (whether L or aerobic count) and how this affects the relative risk which will depend on the type of system, the likelihood of (respireable) droplets being formed and whether you have any vulnerable groups likely to be exposed. As a general guide (and unfortunately I don’t think that the new version of L8 is as useful as the old) If the count is low, then no further action may be necessary (if you go looking for L you will find it!). For higher counts, retest and review controls. For ‘very high’ readings, retest, and if confirmed, shot dose, and retest/review controls.
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