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Nimble057  
#1 Posted : 14 May 2014 09:58:19(UTC)
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Nimble057

Hi does anyone have experience of dealing with workers carrying these conditions? Its an office environment and theres a number of pregnant women in the vincinity of the carrier and having spoken with some of the related charitys they suggested a need for Occupational health involvement as infectivity may affect insurance. Sounds a bit over the top to be honest; but wonderd if anyone else could shed some light?
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 14 May 2014 11:09:18(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Nimble057 wrote:
Hi does anyone have experience of dealing with workers carrying these conditions? Its an office environment and theres a number of pregnant women in the vincinity of the carrier and having spoken with some of the related charitys they suggested a need for Occupational health involvement as infectivity may affect insurance. Sounds a bit over the top to be honest; but wonderd if anyone else could shed some light?
A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 14 May 2014 11:10:20(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Hep A and Hep B are two very different conditions. Hep A is transmitted by the oral-faecal route and can be spread by things like contaminating food etc. Hep B is transmitted through blood-to-blood exchange.
stevedm  
#4 Posted : 14 May 2014 11:11:32(UTC)
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stevedm

Hep B - bloodborne so lower risk...just follow good hygiene techniques. Hep A is a whole other matter.. The file from the HPA website gives some guidance (page 7)..this is a bout schools but it is the only non medical reference I have for UK the rest is SA. http://www.hpa.org.uk/we...e/HPAweb_C/1259152095231 If indeed it is + diagnosis for HEP A then it isn't over the top... I am sure Chris will be along any minute to correct me...
Animax01  
#5 Posted : 15 May 2014 08:57:04(UTC)
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Animax01

When I worked in the caring industry I had a course of injections to inoculate myself against Hep B as I may have been working with blood. That's about all I have to shed on the subject.
stevedm  
#6 Posted : 15 May 2014 13:00:50(UTC)
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stevedm

Nim This was the link I wanted yesterday....has the rationale for Hep A B and C
stevedm  
#7 Posted : 15 May 2014 13:02:03(UTC)
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L McCartney  
#8 Posted : 15 May 2014 15:55:21(UTC)
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L McCartney

Hi, you cannot tell anyone about employees medical conditions unless they have given informed consent - whether its diabetes, Hep B or whatever. The control measures should be for all situations as you should always assume that all exposure to body fluids could be infectious. Good hygiene practices for all. Robust sharps injury procedure - liaising with local NHS and/or Occ Health for quick reaction to sharps with a likely risk of infection When I worked for a care organisation we did not go down the vaccination route unless there was a significant risk e.g. the service user had uncontrolled biting and then we we would still risk assess it for reasons given in document above. Pregnant women and nursing mothers should have an extra duty of care personal risk assessment throughout their pregnancies/nursing baby. During this they should be reminded of the need for good hygiene practices. The only time I changed a pregnant women's client group was when there was a significant risk of involuntary hits on the stomach which was making her quite stressed and the client felt this and got more stressed. A place where I worked an employee disclosed they had HIV when they cut their finger and the first aider went to apply first aid without wearing their gloves! In conclusion, I would think carefully as sometimes people think if they are vaccinated they are fully protected. Vaccinations don't always prevent illness but reduce the symptoms and not all infections have vaccinations. Lilian
stevedm  
#9 Posted : 16 May 2014 12:00:23(UTC)
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stevedm

L McCartney wrote:
Hi, A place where I worked an employee disclosed they had HIV when they cut their finger and the first aider went to apply first aid without wearing their gloves! In conclusion, I would think carefully as sometimes people think if they are vaccinated they are fully protected. Vaccinations don't always prevent illness but reduce the symptoms and not all infections have vaccinations. Lilian
Such statements stigmatise those with Hep A and HIV...you don't necessarily need gloves to prove good hygiene techniques (having worked in primary healthcare in South Africa and having real practical experience of dealing with Hep A and HIV positive in trauma situations)...second point agreed but all of that is contained in the HSE guidance on BBV above...
johnmurray  
#10 Posted : 17 May 2014 10:13:34(UTC)
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johnmurray

¨Vaccinations don't always prevent illness but reduce the symptoms and not all infections have vaccinations¨ In fact a small minority of ¨available¨ infections have a vaccine protection attached.
Peter Clifton  
#11 Posted : 19 May 2014 13:57:31(UTC)
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Peter Clifton

Hi, I work for a charity which is a Housing Association and following a risk assessment we have had two separate days where our Occupational Health Nurse has given out Hep B injections to those who wanted them. She is due to come back soon to give boosters. Regards
Canopener  
#12 Posted : 22 May 2014 02:54:56(UTC)
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Canopener

Nimble, I can't help but feel you need to be a little more specific, unless you're suggesting that you have workers who are individually suffering from the 2 conditions. The 2 are essentially different conditions, with different routes of infection and different consequences in the longer term. The reality is that you probably need do nothing, unless you're in a particular industry that would indicate high risk. I have one person who has declared suffering from Hep B; and it has never occurred to me that I need treat them any differently. Again, the reality is, there may be more than one person, either because they haven't declared, or they don't know. Overall I would suggest that it is likely that you need do nothing more.
stevedm  
#13 Posted : 22 May 2014 08:32:46(UTC)
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stevedm

Can..I agree however you do need to do something about it..if your first aider who may not be immunised comes into contact with the virus (Hep B) during a response...you will need to have a process in place to ensure they get the vaccine post exposure and I would have that written into something..perhaps your First Aid guidance? or your BBV policy if you have one..in my experience although some people decline the vaccine at first, when exposed there is usually a 100% take up!...
A Kurdziel  
#14 Posted : 22 May 2014 09:42:50(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

it is not requirement that first aiders have a Hep B- it might make sense in environments where there is a high risk of coming into contact with infected people but generally this should not an issue. Vaccination is always the very last line of defence against infection and you should instead be relying on other controls to protect staff. Neither Hep A or Hep B cannot be described as contagious in that you cannot spread it through everyday contact.
stevedm  
#15 Posted : 22 May 2014 10:18:09(UTC)
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stevedm

No one is saying it is a requirement of first aiders to vaccinated against Hep B..... You do however need something in place when you KNOW someone is infected and You come into CONTACT with it through contact (blood to blood) this could be accidental ingestion from blood spray as a result of incident response or even bitten by a patient/service user....
A Kurdziel  
#16 Posted : 22 May 2014 11:31:31(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

‘It’s an office environment and there are a number of pregnant women in the vicinity of the carrier and having spoken with some of the related charities they suggested a need for Occupational health involvement as infectivity may affect insurance.’ No suggestion of a high risk environment, so I would suggest that no action is taken. Care should be taken to make sure that any action taken against the infected person is not discriminatory. As to insurance, what is the issue? Employers’ liability insurance is about accidents at work or diseases arising out of work. It is about not picking up diseases from work colleagues… you can’t claim for getting a cold from a work colleague.
MrsBlue  
#17 Posted : 22 May 2014 12:51:29(UTC)
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SteveDM wrote:
L McCartney wrote:
Hi, A place where I worked an employee disclosed they had HIV when they cut their finger and the first aider went to apply first aid without wearing their gloves! In conclusion, I would think carefully as sometimes people think if they are vaccinated they are fully protected. Vaccinations don't always prevent illness but reduce the symptoms and not all infections have vaccinations. Lilian
Such statements stigmatise those with Hep A and HIV...you don't necessarily need gloves to prove good hygiene techniques (having worked in primary healthcare in South Africa and having real practical experience of dealing with Hep A and HIV positive in trauma situations)...second point agreed but all of that is contained in the HSE guidance on BBV above...
How can "such statements stigmatise those with Hep A and HIV" when the injured person with HIV informed the first aider?
johnmurray  
#18 Posted : 22 May 2014 17:41:41(UTC)
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johnmurray

The protection route, for unvaccinated persons exposed to Hep B would be an injection of Hep B immunoglobin, followed by the complete series of Hep B vaccine. For emergency protection [sic] that would be 3 injections over 21 days. Not nice, for the recipient. Better to be safe, rather than sorry!
stevedm  
#19 Posted : 22 May 2014 18:36:40(UTC)
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stevedm

Originally Posted by: Rich777 How can " Go to Quoted Post
Because you don't always need gloves! and a statement like that can make a person shy away from assisting someone because they don't have gloves...I've seen it happen it isn't nice for the PT..
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