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SBH  
#1 Posted : 17 May 2014 07:39:15(UTC)
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SBH

As a hospital we often have patients who bring in their own electrical items , chargers etc. We ask the staff to visually check them where possible and if they look unsafe to contact Estates. This is not ideal as the staff are not experts and we definitely do not intend to portable appliance test all the items brought in. What do colleagues do? SBH
tony.  
#2 Posted : 17 May 2014 09:09:34(UTC)
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tony.

We don't have patients, but staff do bring in their own equipment. We can test this inhouse and 'approve' its use. Visual inspection is a very important part of all electrical inspection, so its good to see that as a first step. Would it be possible to advise patients to use a dedicated socket? In view of any staff, less likely for equipment to be hidden under bed sheets etc. For example our cleaners sockets are all rcd protected, not that rcds are the saviour of electrical protection, but its another level of protection, and our cleaners can never ' remember' to bring the rcd adaptor. Very difficult to manage in your environment, look how many people pay no notice to mobile phone warning signs! Best of luck
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 17 May 2014 17:00:19(UTC)
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firesafety101

I once purchased an ipod on. Ebay from a seller in Hong Kong. On receipt I followed the instructions and connected it to its charger and plugged in to the wall socket and switched on. Half an hour later the ipod exploded. No damage, Except to the ipod but could have been a little,nasty? A recent fire in UK that killed a family is possibly caused by a charging unit. (Official comment from fire investigator) don't know any more than that and I'll leave it there.
Chris L  
#4 Posted : 17 May 2014 21:05:32(UTC)
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Chris L

As per the HSE guidance on maintaining portable electrical equipment (INDG236) http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg236.pdf a simple user check and visual inspection is enough to pick up many electrical issues. The old HSE guidance used to say that you could pick up to 90% of electrical issues from visual inspection, but upon revision that appears to have disappeared. So, in effect the staff do not have to be experts, but I would say that if you are asking staff to undertake visual checks of patients electrical equipment that you provide some simple training to equip them with some basic electrical knowledge. There is no requirement to PAT test every electrical item and in this case I feel that a simple visual check is suitable, the caveat being training for staff. FireSafety’s post regarding a charger from Hong Kong I feel is not relevant and does not contribute any information upon which tony can utilise with regards to his question. As for reference to a recent fire in the UK, the fact that the fire investigator stated that the fire was possibly caused by a charging unit indicates to me that they were not certain otherwise it would have been described as being the immediate cause and not the possible cause. Having undertaken fire investigation training (I work for a Fire and Rescue Service) it is sometimes the case that you cannot state 100% the immediate cause of a particular fire, but I am still not sure what the relevance of a Hong Kong charger (and iPod) is in relation to the initial question. I would like some further information on the fire FireSafety is referring to to understand what the connection is. Hope the above helps tony.
firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 17 May 2014 21:32:17(UTC)
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firesafety101

Chris I too was fire investigation trained and that was put to good use when a member of a Fire Brigade, and if you are still in a FRS you should know about this fire and as you say it is not always possible to state 100% the cause of a fire. http://www.bbc.co.uk/new...south-yorkshire-27371854 You appear to poo poo my offering but you need to realise this is a discussion forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I made a contribution to SBH's question in good faith and am not happy with your comments. A dodgy ipod taken into a hospital environment if not tested can cause problems and I just introduced proof of that. Chris this is not your thread to criticise so mind your tone please.
johnmurray  
#6 Posted : 18 May 2014 09:35:07(UTC)
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johnmurray

And how exactly are you going to test an ipod and charger, other than by visual inspection? The charger is usually sealed, the output in the form of a USB socket, and the electronics within do not have anything you can test...no transformer, as such. And physically intrusive test/examination will damage the item/s.
mssy  
#7 Posted : 18 May 2014 10:15:37(UTC)
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mssy

I am a huge believer in a visual inspection of such appliances - even by 'non trained' staff - as part of a policy of bringing electrical items into care settings. Determining damaged casings and obviously damaged wiring is not rocket science. I carried out a FRA for a specialist 'wet' alcohol dependency unit - mainly for homeless/vagrant type clients. One guy had bought a portable TV into his scruffy room. The telly was old, filthy and wrapped in brown parcel tape as the casing was cracked and holed in placed. It also had a coat hanger aerial. He said he had no idea how old it was as he'd got it out of a skip 6 moths previously!! It was quite obviously an unacceptable risk, as in addition to its poor state, it was switched on sometimes 30 to 40hrs at a time and used by clients who may be inebriated and difficult to evacuate. Staff argued that they allow personal items to try and make the clients rooms 'homely' to aid their treatment. They lost that argument and it went back into another skip (minus it's power lead!)
tony.  
#8 Posted : 19 May 2014 18:31:25(UTC)
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tony.

Chris, I was not the original poster, this was SBH. Cheers Tony
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