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Pearce20467  
#1 Posted : 19 May 2014 21:01:26(UTC)
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Pearce20467

Hi All, I completed the Nebosh diploma in 2010. My line manager has told me that I can not do any CDM work because the CDM Regulations clearly state that to work in any construction project the person needs to complete the Nebosh Construction Certificate (NCC). I do not agree with this because the Diploma includes the CDM and it is a higher level than NCC. In previous jobs I was able to carry out work in construction sites (not as a CDM-C). What you think?
firesafety101  
#2 Posted : 19 May 2014 21:58:41(UTC)
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firesafety101

Well Pearce it depends on who your boss is and his personal,opinion. I work as CDM C for a design company and I am the only one qualified to any level health and safety. I am CMIOSH through NVQs with many years experience in fire and safety. I was RSP when that was around. The design company is CDM C but I do the work. I have donned my Tin Hat and await the flack now ;-)
Steve e ashton  
#3 Posted : 19 May 2014 22:25:20(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

Pearce: Firstly your boss appears to have overinterpreted the Regulations. Unfortunately this is not uncommon.... And brings our profession (H&S) and the CDM-C role into disrepute. He is wrong - quite simply the Regs do not say any such thing. But if you need to ask the question here then maybe (just maybe) you may lack the knowledge, experience (or confidence) to tell him so - and so perhaps you should be looking to gain experience under supervision? Whether you are competent to offer advice, assistance or support in construction projects - depends on what your own background is, and what (if any) competent people you may have around you or acting as your boss... If you have never been on a construction site - then you are probably not competent. If you've worked as a site foreman for the past thirty years, then you're likely to be more competent (in some respects at least) than your boss... To suggest that 'no-one' can work on a construction project without the construction Cert is worse even than suggesting that no-one can do such work without CSCS 'qualification'. (Joins firesafety in the bunker).
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 20 May 2014 07:23:30(UTC)
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bob youel

listen to Steve as its very very good advice having a Diploma on its own [or an MSC etc.] does not make one competent especially in higher risk areas its the experience along with the knowledge that counts
Pearce20467  
#5 Posted : 20 May 2014 08:13:05(UTC)
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Pearce20467

Thank you All! I am asking the question because in my head there is no doubt that I have sufficient knowledge to carry out construction work, even if I do not have enough experience. But I have been told not to apply for a recent position because I do not have NCC; the person who got the position is earning more than I and only has NCC and NGC and very limited experience in CDM. I do have some experience in construction work but more importantly I am aware of my own limitations; I know what legal requirements apply and I know where to look for information / guidance / best practice advice. Thanks again
achrn  
#6 Posted : 20 May 2014 08:18:46(UTC)
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achrn

Pearce20467 wrote:
My line manager has told me that I can not do any CDM work because the CDM Regulations clearly state that to work in any construction project the person needs to complete the Nebosh Construction Certificate (NCC).
The regs do not say that for someone to work as CDM-C they need Nebosh. Nor do the regs say that Nebosh is sufficient to qualify someone to work as CDM-C. All the regs say about Nebosh is that in an appendix relating to competence they state that Nebosh is one example of a way to demonstrate one aspect of one stage of competence. No one person is competent to carry out CDM-C duties on every possible construction project. One qualification certainly doesn't do it. In my view, that qualification alone doesn't make you competent to be CDM-C on any construction project.
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 20 May 2014 11:39:53(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Pearce20467 wrote:
But I have been told not to apply for a recent position because I do not have NCC; the person who got the position is earning more than I and only has NCC and NGC and very limited experience in CDM.
If the post was advertised, the essential /desirable requirements should have been transparent to all. If this was entirely internal - sometimes life just isn't fair.
Stedman  
#8 Posted : 20 May 2014 11:55:35(UTC)
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Stedman

If you study appendix 5 of the ACOP, there is considerably more emphasis on Chartered membership of a recognised construction-related institutions. For example CIBSE; ICE; IEE; IMechE; IStructE; RIBA; CIAT; CIOB., however even though I meet this criteria, I am a Chartered Fellow of IOSH, commercially required to be RMaPS, even I have been rejected as not being sufficiently competent to deliver the CDM-C criteria for one local authority, because I did not have a NEBOSH Construction Cert! It is strange how Chartered membership of a recognised construction-related institutions has been mainly overlooked, but the lower NEBOSH Construction Cert criteria has stuck.
John M  
#9 Posted : 20 May 2014 12:35:55(UTC)
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John M

Hang on in there - the CDMc post will be lost to history next year. I certainly won't mourn its demise . Jon
boblewis  
#10 Posted : 20 May 2014 12:38:39(UTC)
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boblewis

First thought on a personal basis is to ask if you are completing your IPD ahead of your peer interview for chartered status? If not is there a particular reason - Keep the answer private to yourself !!! Be glad also that the role will disappear next year and probably the job.:-) Unfortunately many people do not understand what the regs are saying about competence and especially the Nebosh CC mention in the regs - it was intended clearly as a Minimum level of training in H&S NOT the only possible but many employers are ignorant of this. Good news again the HSE in their wisdom have repealed the competence requirement in the new regulations. Two answers then either walk away when you can or wait smugly until the changes take place. In the meantime look at your own competencies and start to develop yourself for the next move. Be ahead of the game and do a presentation now on the current cdm consultation and proposed changes, in your own time if need be. Prepare well and be ready to convince your directors that YOU are the person most competent to present the discussion as you have the senior H&S qualifications. You could talk to the Grange for some advice re the issue of what they anticipate a person with certain levels of training can do in an organisation. Bob
boblewis  
#11 Posted : 20 May 2014 12:40:14(UTC)
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boblewis

Stedman wrote:
If you study appendix 5 of the ACOP, there is considerably more emphasis on Chartered membership of a recognised construction-related institutions. For example CIBSE; ICE; IEE; IMechE; IStructE; RIBA; CIAT; CIOB., however even though I meet this criteria, I am a Chartered Fellow of IOSH, commercially required to be RMaPS, even I have been rejected as not being sufficiently competent to deliver the CDM-C criteria for one local authority, because I did not have a NEBOSH Construction Cert! It is strange how Chartered membership of a recognised construction-related institutions has been mainly overlooked, but the lower NEBOSH Construction Cert criteria has stuck.
Could it be that it is easier to achieve:-)
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