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Good Morning, can anyone please help. I have been reliably informed by a H&S professional and an experienced welder that there is no danger from arc eye from a MIG welder as long as people are kept at a distance of about 3 meters. is there anyone who could point me in the right direction where this is published or is it a 'commonly agreed' practice. I have never heard of this before.
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The quantity of radiation depends on a number of things, including the welding current and the shielding gas.
There is some research. I can recommend a browse using Google Scholar
http://scholar.google.co.uk/
The paper of greatest interest is described here, but I don't know where to get a copy:
http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/...amp;identifier=ADA033768
Some data extracted from it are as follows:
the (American) daily threshold limit value is reached in the following circumstances...
CO2 shield, 90 A, at 10 min when 3 m from the arc, and at 8 hours 20 m from the arc
CO2 shield, 200 A, at 10 min 7 m from the arc, and at 8 hours 50 m from the arc.
Now, these are not exposures that will give you arc eye, they are to do with the other effects of UV radiation (principally cancers).
I cannot imagine that there are very many reliable data on arc eye because a) who is going to volunteer for the experiments? and b) how reliable is the post-incident estimate of exposure when arc eye has occurred?
While you may be concerned to avoid arc eye, exposing people knowingly to UV radiation is of concern!
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Seems like the sort of rubbish observation you usually get from people who do not weld.
Welding at 200A with a CO2 shield gas and flux-cored wire, I reckon on getting ¨arc eye¨ with an unprotected exposure of only a few seconds. I´ve had arc-eye from welders over 3 metres distant.
And in any case, there is also a problem with exposure to excess blue light!
See how long it takes for the residual image from direct exposure to an electric arc to disappear from view...close your eyes and look!!!
http://annhyg.oxfordjour...ontent/54/3/293.full.pdf
And look at the emitted spectrum from different welding processes, and intensity:
http://www.dguv.de/medie...ission_schweissen_en.pdf
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That's really good - it is an extract from the document I cited. For UK readers it is helpful to know that
GMAW is equivalent to MIG
GTAW is equivalent to TIG
Shielded metal arc is equivalent to MMA
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Thanks for all your replies - appreciate it. it looks like I have some reading to do. maybe I will even be able to educate a couple of our 'experts'
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Rose, I agree with JohnM. I'm not a welder but I know people who are, who have had instances of arc-eye, they work in a shop with several welders, they are not always aware of how it happened, it's a nasty thing to get.
I'm sure if you spoke to some mig welders about their experiences you will get the knowledge that you need, that is does happen to persons over 3m away.
John
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Another issue that you must consider with distant exposure to arc welding is that it tends to be in peripheral vision, which is more sensitive to bright lights.
Down to the biology of the eye, retinal rods & cones & all that IIRC.
OR, at least that is what I was taught, and told by my ophthalmic consultant when I had my eye accident and I was still heavily involved with welding at that time.
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Arc-Eye.
Early symptoms:
Feeling that you have grains of sand in the eye.
Moving the eyeball within the socket becomes very uncomfortable.
In darkness you notice that street lamps/headlamps have halos around them.
Later.
Eyes become more painful, moving the eyeballs is highly uncomfortable and sitting with the eyelids open is preferable, or with the eyes shut and not moving the eyeballs.
The eye/s water copiously and the conjunctiva becomes inflamed (noticed in the eye corners where it looks like bags of fluid have accumulated).
Sight is seriously impaired at this point, and driving, especially at night, is extremely inadvisable.
At the start of arc-eye (a point, that, once you have had it, you never forget) I dose-up on aspirin and paracetamol (anti-inflammatories) and cover my eyes with a cold, wet, flannel. Another is kept in the fridge on standby. I then lie down. It can take half a day for a bad case to cease.
Note that it can re-appear very easily, with only minor UV exposure, in the next day or so.
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