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lewis_ward  
#1 Posted : 30 May 2014 14:23:35(UTC)
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lewis_ward

Good Afternoon, We have a colleague who is adamant she would like the shunter drivers to have personal first aid kits in the cabs. Our drivers are not first aid trained and they mainly travel from site to site which all have first aid facilities on site. If they do travel distance there shouldn't be anywhere were there is no first aid provisions. They do not do over night travelling. I was just wondering what your views where and if you had experience of this. Kind Regards Lewis Ward
Mr.Flibble  
#2 Posted : 30 May 2014 14:30:47(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Hi Lewis, I would recommend against. My argument would be that they are only driving how are they likely to come to harm that would require first aid treatment!? The risk of injury comes when they get to sites and as you have said each site has its own first aid provisions. We don't have them in any of our fleet and if you supply kits you have to train people and keep track of them all (expiry dates, people thieving them!)
HSSnail  
#3 Posted : 30 May 2014 14:56:30(UTC)
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HSSnail

Recommend you look at the guidance http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l74.pdf page 12 covers people who work alone or travel a lot and recommends you consider issuing personal 1st aid kits.
stevedm  
#4 Posted : 31 May 2014 12:12:51(UTC)
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stevedm

My only contribution would be to ask what your risk assessment says..? Are they likely to be at risk from infections as a results of cuts or scrapes to hands?...then perhaps it is justified to enable them to clean and dress minor cuts..
delchinchen  
#5 Posted : 31 May 2014 16:54:44(UTC)
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delchinchen

If there is an accident between sites a first aid kit may be necessary. That is why we are required to carry a first aid kit in our vehicles in Kenya. That is why the company I work for requires every KK Security vehicle in Kenya to carry a first aid kit. Anything can happen between point A and point B. It is as simple and as important as that.
lewis_ward  
#6 Posted : 31 May 2014 17:10:53(UTC)
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lewis_ward

Hi all, Thank you for the responses one of the issues I am looking at is control of these kits if they are issues and subsequent claims that may be made if an incident occurs when administering first aid. I secondly wouldn't accept somebody to be admisinistering first aid to themselves and would be looking in to the route cause of how they became injured when they are sat in a drivers seat and only driving from point A to B. Finally if I issue them to Shunter drivers will they have to be then issued to people who have companies cars and travel between sites for meetings etc. Thanks again for your advice.
walker  
#7 Posted : 02 June 2014 08:13:35(UTC)
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walker

Just as a matter of interest what is a shunter driver?
HSSnail  
#8 Posted : 02 June 2014 09:12:36(UTC)
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HSSnail

Walker In my experience a "shunter" diver is someone who move hgv trailers around a site - so the driver who has been out on the road drops them in a parking area and the shunter driver takes them off to the load/unload area usually a loading dock of some kind. This poster suggest that they move between sites - not a shunter driver to me but there you go.
lewis_ward  
#9 Posted : 02 June 2014 09:16:23(UTC)
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lewis_ward

Yes sorry Walker we call our drivers shunter drivers as they pick a trailor up from one site and drop it off in a location at another. They do this continually on a daily basis and travel no more than 10 miles between sites. We do have the odd occasion where they travel for a few hours to a supplier location but this is fairly rare at the moment.
David Bannister  
#10 Posted : 02 June 2014 09:57:43(UTC)
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David Bannister

Lewis, it's all down to your own in-house risk assessment as to whether your drivers should have access to first aid kits. It may be helpful to be aware that others have carried their own assessments and concluded that their vehicles should be so equipped. Quite a few vehicle manufacturers include first aid kits as standard in new vehicles although there's an excellent chance the car I had 10 years ago (and long gone) still has the original kit in place!
walker  
#11 Posted : 02 June 2014 13:41:02(UTC)
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walker

Brian Hagyard wrote:
Walker In my experience a "shunter" diver is someone who move hgv trailers around a site - so the driver who has been out on the road drops them in a parking area and the shunter driver takes them off to the load/unload area usually a loading dock of some kind. This poster suggest that they move between sites - not a shunter driver to me but there you go.
Yes that's what I thought (understood by the term) - they would not need a FA kit in the cab, IMHO. Lewis stretches the usual meaning and thus was not likely to get a helpful response.
James Robinson  
#12 Posted : 02 June 2014 13:56:25(UTC)
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James Robinson

I would suggest; Risk Assessment + Accident Book = Answer Do a risk assessment taking in to account the difference in their role is the travel between sites, whilst on site their role is comparable to routine tasks already done. Accident book entries should tell how many times first aid has been accessed on site (I would expect to see entries such as "cut finger whilst between A & B, got plaster from first aid when arrived at B).
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