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Peter Clifton  
#1 Posted : 16 June 2014 15:57:19(UTC)
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Peter Clifton

Hi, I have a friend who has been selling window blinds for over 15 years, who is frustrated and confused regarding the new health and safety regulation (pushed by ROSPA) requiring all blinds to have a cleat which you must wrap the chord around. This follows children getting strangled by trailing blind controls. All blinds that are now produced with breakable chords (over 6kg and it snaps). He is OK with that, but he says he is now required to affix a cleat to the wall. That means drilling into tiles, concrete, pvc (e.g. window frames) to fit cleats. What is worse, with the chord dangling loose it's OK, any child putting it's head in the loop, the chord will snap, but when you wrap the chord around a cleat, you make new loops and because of the breakable point is above the cleat if a child gets caught there is no protection. I would be grateful for any comments
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 16 June 2014 16:03:08(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Cleats with a self adhesive backing? keep the lightweight cord out of the way and shear off under load.
A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 16 June 2014 16:08:30(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

What's the actual 'regulation'? is it a British or European Standard or does it come via an EU directive?
stevedm  
#4 Posted : 16 June 2014 16:34:25(UTC)
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stevedm

EN13120:2009+A1:2014 Not really about cleats...more about child protective devices and warnings...ROSPA campaign http://www.rospa.com/abo...entcampaigns/blindcords/
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 16 June 2014 16:58:34(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

The "Regulation" would presumably be the GPSR (General Product Safety Regulations) which would I think apply to both supply and professional installation. Other devices for retention of looped cords are available. Your friend doesn't necessarily have to use the cleats supplied. Intrusive drilling still a requirement, but isn't that also true for fitting the blind itself? Has your friend undergone appropriate asbestos awareness training?
Peter Clifton  
#6 Posted : 17 June 2014 10:14:24(UTC)
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Peter Clifton

Yes, the "Regulation" is the GPSR (General Product Safety Regulations). He tells me that there is a lot of confusion in the blinds business about what actually is required. So, if fitting cleats are not mandatory which other safety devices are available? I understand the need for child safety, but this regulation seems to have got rid of one risk by fitting a breakable chord, then introducing the same risk of strangulation by fitting cleats which create more loops below the cleat.
HSSnail  
#7 Posted : 17 June 2014 12:33:55(UTC)
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HSSnail

The GRPS are a bit like HASAW they just say products must be safe as HASAW say you have to do everything that is reasonably practicable. You will find no mention of cleats or anything else in them. If blinds should have cleats Trading standards would be dealing with any company that did not fit them - assuming we are talking home use.
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 17 June 2014 12:50:45(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Alternative cord tidies and tensioners are shown in the RoSPA resources at the link given above. Same issues though - you still have to affix to the surround.
HelenC  
#9 Posted : 18 June 2014 14:04:46(UTC)
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HelenC

Hi Have you considered using the wand type device rether than chains? Working in mental health we recommend the use of blinds with the wands, without the cords or chains along the botton as they are a potential ligature. Hope this helps? H
wjp62  
#10 Posted : 18 June 2014 16:58:48(UTC)
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wjp62

Why do people read "new regulations" and presume they must be H&S regulations.. there is no mention of new health and safety regulations in the article referenced and standards do not apply retrospectively. Therefore going forward new blinds must be "safe by design" or be supplied with the appropriate child safety devices installed as per the Product Safety Regulations..
Peter Clifton  
#11 Posted : 19 June 2014 13:51:59(UTC)
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Peter Clifton

Talked to me friend and he says he (as is the rest of the blinds industry) still confused about these regulations. I know the blinds must be manufactured to a safe standard (e.g. breakable chords), but when it comes to fitting them it's a different story. If someone could clarify the regulations, I would be very grateful. My friend will then pass on the info to his colleagues in the industry who are all frightened they could be breaking the law.
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