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Chris I  
#1 Posted : 09 July 2014 12:59:43(UTC)
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Chris I

Hi all,

I am currently looking into further qualifications in health & safety. I have my NEBOSH General Certificate along with various other training courses completed through my employer. I hold a full time role as a health & safety assistant reporting to the HSE Manager.

Could anyone advise what they feel is the best route to take? Is there a vast difference between the two in terms of learning and professional status? Any advice would be welcome, especially anyone who has studied and combined this with a full time role along with a young family!

Thanks.
Steve W1  
#2 Posted : 09 July 2014 13:19:41(UTC)
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Steve W1

Hi Chris
This is a re-occurring post in the IOSH forum.

NVQ 5 and the NEBOSH-dip are recognized by IOSH as routes on the way to be considered eventually for charted membership of IOSH.

Basically the NEBOSH-dip could be referred to as the academic route and the NVQ 5 as the vocational route. Your learning style may dictate the best route for you.

I went down the NVQ 5 / open assessment and then the peer to peer interview route before being recommended for chartered membership. I felt that was the best way for me to achieve CMIOSH status.

Now comes the crunch ---- what would I prefer on my CV ---- without a doubt the NEBOSH-dip.

So you pays your money and takes ya pick.

Good luck my friend

Steve
jodieclark1510  
#3 Posted : 09 July 2014 14:00:17(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Hi Chris,

I am in the same boat at the minute, as I am on a FTC with my current position I don't think they are going to be willing for me to have a day a week off or a week off here and there for a diploma, though of course it looks great on the CV- but at the same time at least the NVQ allows you to show you understand what you are doing without the pressure of on the spot exams, so i suppose they both have pros and cons?!

Jodie
Safety Man 1  
#4 Posted : 09 July 2014 19:03:46(UTC)
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Safety Man 1

Jodie
The other route form the NEBOSH Diploma is distant learning, that's the route I took only need days off for exams
TudorWilliams  
#5 Posted : 09 July 2014 22:17:15(UTC)
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TudorWilliams

The only way that IOSH treats the qualifications, NVQ5 v Diploma differently is in the process beyond completion and if you want to move forward to CMIOSH after Grad IOSH. If you want to achieve that level of recognition and professionalism i is worth visiting the membership pages on the IOSH website to see that the IPD routes differ slightly to examine either your knowledge and understanding, if you've completed an NVQ or the application of knowledge in your job role if you have undertaken the diploma. Worth at least spending a little time on looking at the 'post qualification 'process. NVQs are generally a cheaper option, and can overall on comparison take less time than a diploma. Consider looking at success rates, testimonials and / or other learner experiences for both routes. Above all don't think one is less valuable than the other. Yes diplomas seem to improve knowledge on the surface but an NVQ must encourage you to demonstrate your knowledge alongside the performance standards that are assessed. It can be argued that the diploma will cover areas of knowledge that are not applicable to your job role but similarly you must check that you can demonstrate that you can meet all the competencies within the NVQ. Any provider worth their salt will ensure either route is suitable for you, or not! Good luck and happy hunting.
jodieclark1510  
#6 Posted : 10 July 2014 08:38:55(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Hi Safety Man 1

Thank you for the information, I will need to do a bit of research into this, I guess at least with distance learning I wouldn't be constrained with my current position as I'm not sure where they would stand if I wanted to do an NVQ and I don't think they would allow the time off for classes for the Diploma.

Jodie
toffee wrapper  
#7 Posted : 11 July 2014 15:00:47(UTC)
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toffee wrapper


I recently went down the NVQ route, and found it relatively painless. If your work load means that you are actively involved in H&S on a daily basis, then you will already have a large percentage of the documents already to hand. So it looks like NVQ would suit you. Especially if time away from work is an issue. Don’t think it will be easy, it will take time. I think that completion within 12 months is achievable, if each week you devote 2 evenings and a half day on a weekend.

However, I do agree with previous contributors that the Diploma route looks far better on a CV. Take a look at the jobs on offer on any recruiting website. The vast majority ask for a Dip holder, it is extremely rare for anyone to even mention the NVQ route. For some unknown reason the employers do not seem to acknowledge or even mention the NVQ at all as an option. Most employers take advice from the recruiting companies on the wording of their advertisements. So maybe the lack of employers asking for NVQ is down to poor advice from recruiters.?

It all comes down to you. If you want to make a long term career out of H&S, then I suggest that the Diploma will serve you better, as it looks more professional on a CV and opens more doors. Distance learning is an option but can be time consuming and costly.

However if you are a busy family man with a busy workload, then take the NVQ.
potts2030  
#8 Posted : 11 July 2014 15:24:13(UTC)
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potts2030

I would suggest that it is horses for courses, if you are a general practitioner dealing with anything and everthing then the Diploma is the best route, if you likely to stay in the same field then NVQ 5. Having talked to recruiters some will tell you they prefer Diploma as it implies technical knowledge, others will tell you NVQ 5 as it implies proven experience. Please note that most job ads say Nebosh diploma or Equivalent.
I have got my last 2 jobs on the back of an NVQ 5 so it is recognised.
pradeesh  
#9 Posted : 11 July 2014 16:53:35(UTC)
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pradeesh

Chris,

If you are looking to get CMIOSH then you can prefer a non NEBOSH/NVQ route as well.
Chris I  
#10 Posted : 17 July 2014 11:23:50(UTC)
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Chris I

Thanks to everyone for your feedback / comments.
Phillip Clarke  
#11 Posted : 17 July 2014 23:30:54(UTC)
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Phillip Clarke

You could always do a post graduate diploma at a uni that is recognised by IOSH and then complete a dissertation so you have an MSc.

Many units offer a post graduate diploma via distance learning.
jay  
#12 Posted : 18 July 2014 09:34:20(UTC)
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jay

Chris,

You may want to consider, if appropriate, your long term goals.
Depending upon your personal situation, if you want to do more, the Post-Graduate Certificate to Post-Graduate Diploma to MSc can be an option as the Post-Graduate Certificate from the IOSH recognised courses gives you GradIOSH --same as the NEBOSH Diploma/NVQ level 5.
decimomal  
#13 Posted : 18 July 2014 11:07:59(UTC)
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decimomal

Other posters have outlined the options so there is plenty there to think about. Have you asked your managers opinion?
If they have the NEBOSH Diploma thay could possibly guide you through it - the same goes for NVQ of course.

I did the Diploma by distance learning over two years as I chose to do one module at a time because this suited my learning style. The only time out (apart from the multiple hours of home study) was a workshop for each module.

Having a young family could be a major distraction in studying for the Diploma - studying 10 hours a week does not sound much but believe me it is!

Best of luck!
piobaire  
#14 Posted : 18 July 2014 16:00:56(UTC)
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piobaire

If you are one of those people who can do exams I would recommend that you go down the NEBOSH route. This seems to be the preferred qualification for employers, just take a flick through the job pages of SHP. There are several equivalents and there are SVQ's, but NEBOSH qualifications usually come first in the list.

Upgrading membership of IOSH can be achieved several different ways which may influence your decision. I have a NEBOSH Diploma and have just completed my IPD. A former colleague gained SVQ's (NVQ's in England) and achieved Chartered Membership.

Which option you take may be influenced by what your employer wants and is prepared to fund.

I went down the NEBOSH Diploma route because I was unaware of alternatives at the time, however, I am glad I did.

There is also distance learning vs taught course. I'm just not that well disciplined to do distance learning and you can get immediate feedback from the tutor and others on the course if it is a taught course. Depends what suits you best.

Lots to think about and the influences that might be brought to bear, what you want, what your employer wants and what possible future employers might want. Not an easy decision, but NEBOSH Diploma seems to be the most sought after and most recognised qualification.

Hope this is useful.

jay  
#15 Posted : 18 July 2014 16:58:33(UTC)
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jay

The NEBOSH Diploma is most "quoted" rather than "recognised" because of the perceived bias ( I.e ignorance ??) amonst agencies & employers who do not seem to be factually informed of the alternative qualifications.

We have had this debate of the NEBOSH Diploma vs University Degress several times--and one can agree to disagree.

The term "recognised" --what does it mean--is it by an expert/competent professional body/organisation etc
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