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jarsmith83		#1 Posted : 18 July 2014 09:51:28(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Hi All Probably a simple answer to this question, but what is the Health and Safety communities understanding of an Enterprise Risk Manager? i.e. what does the role entail? Thanks in advance J :-)
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PIKEMAN		#2 Posted : 18 July 2014 10:32:14(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		To quote Midge Ure "This means nothing to me". It is a title - and so meaningless. It could relate to busness risks or the Starship Enterprise. More data rqeuired, Mr Spock.
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Ian A-H		#3 Posted : 18 July 2014 11:14:46(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Google and the rest of the www think it's business risk (and opportunities). If it's a vacancy, I'm not sure us safety bods would get a look in, unless our skill set is much wider. Ian
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jarsmith83		#4 Posted : 18 July 2014 11:20:23(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Thanks Both It seems to me that it is indeed looking at business risk i.e. financial & safety. Looks that they are there to capture information, trend analysis and set business targets/procedural change. Just seems a very "flaky" job role..........
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jay		#5 Posted : 18 July 2014 11:33:35(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		It is MUCH more than Health & Safety Management--comes under Business Risk management--and the larger organisations tend to have formal systems. http://www.investopedia....rise-risk-management.asp http://www.bsigroup.com/...o-31000-risk-management/ BS 31000:2008 ( not the most recent BS ISO 31000:2009) defined enterprise risk management as "approach to managing all of an organization’s key business risks and opportunities with the intent of maximizing stakeholder value [risk and insurance Management Society]"
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jay		#6 Posted : 18 July 2014 11:40:55(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Some useful info at http://www.coso.org/docu...ERM_ExecutiveSummary.pdf http://www.coso.org/Publ...ons/ErM/COSO_ErM.ppt#258 http://www.coso.org/-ERM.htm
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PIKEMAN		#7 Posted : 18 July 2014 11:43:05(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		I still think that shields, phasers and photon torpedoes might be necessary though.
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HSSnail		#8 Posted : 18 July 2014 12:02:52(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Dose the Risk change if Kirk or Pickard is Captain? Sorry but its Friday and its been a long weak!
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chris42		#9 Posted : 18 July 2014 13:40:57(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Job centre though they found me a job with this title a few years ago. What fun I had explaining it was a different sort of risk. If it is for the starship Enterprise, just imagine having to deal with aggressive people wanting to attack everything in sight. Unknown technology just appearing out of nowhere. Unknown substances that have strange effects on people. Humanoids who are highly intelligent but ruthless, and those that are Neanderthal in nature and unpredictable. Dealing with people from another planet. Language barriers, causing communication errors. To boldly go places on reflection they should not have. People disappearing as if by magic, in order to get themselves out of trouble. Thinking about it, not so different from where I am now.
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Tigers		#10 Posted : 18 July 2014 13:50:33(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Just think- you only have to work an hour a week or 2 hours for a Christmas special!
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A Kurdziel		#11 Posted : 18 July 2014 14:08:12(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Chris42 wrote: Job centre though they found me a job with this title a few years ago. What fun I had explaining it was a different sort of risk. If it is for the starship Enterprise, just imagine having to deal with aggressive people wanting to attack everything in sight. Unknown technology just appearing out of nowhere. Unknown substances that have strange effects on people. Humanoids who are highly intelligent but ruthless, and those that are Neanderthal in nature and unpredictable. Dealing with people from another planet. Language barriers, causing communication errors. To boldly go places on reflection they should not have. People disappearing as if by magic, in order to get themselves out of trouble. Thinking about it, not so different from where I am now. What are the welfare requirements on the USS Enterprise? As well as ladies and gents do they require specific facilities for other species that might do it in different ways? If pregnant women can be guaranteed “Suitable facilities’ ‘to rest’, surely Vulcans that undergo ‘Pon farr require some sympathetic treatment or is that a HR matter? Also if you applying for the job as Enterprise risk manager what sort of approach would be best? • High level of empathy ie the Betazoid way • Logical deductive reasoning a la Vulcans • Aggressive in your face Klingon techniques
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jwk		#12 Posted : 18 July 2014 14:37:34(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Just keep taking the dilithium crystals and wait for it all to go away, John
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jwk		#13 Posted : 18 July 2014 14:39:29(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Just keep taking the dilithium crystals and wait for it all to go away, John
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David Bannister		#14 Posted : 18 July 2014 15:14:26(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		It's a job, Jarsmith, but not as we know it.
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chris42		#15 Posted : 18 July 2014 15:46:33(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		If you do your COSHH assessment on dilithium crystals you will find it is a mutagen. You could end up with three ears; the left one, the right one and the final frontier. (oldie but a goodie) I'm not sure pon farr would be classed as a work activity, but either way it would not be "HR" for a Vulcan. Sorry Jarsmith83, though I think you have your answer - it is not H&S as such more commercial risk. This is what I got from the job advert the Job centre made me look at anyway.
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jay		#16 Posted : 18 July 2014 16:48:34(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Or, a potential route to expanding one's horizons ( if they wish to do so!) and furthering their careers. There is an IOSH guide on Business Risk Management. http://www.iosh.co.uk/~/...20management%202014.ashx (Copy & Paste the complete URL)
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jarsmith83		#17 Posted : 18 July 2014 16:59:00(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Wow this post has really changed course from the original question :-) Some great answers! Actually funny because I have been recently tasked with implementing 31000 for a business. I was asking this question just to broaden my understand of the role. My company have made added this role to the new structure and I was sitting there trying to work out the relationship between the risk manager and the head of QHSE, how do they interact.
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Steve e ashton		#18 Posted : 19 July 2014 14:44:02(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		I was going to answer this question but ERM.....
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jwk		#19 Posted : 21 July 2014 13:35:27(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		If ERM is adopted in its purest from it would bundle all the organisation's risks into one big basket. So my employer has me and my team, clinical governance, financial risk, commercial risk etc; an ERM approach would see these co-ordinating their efforts, and in an extreme case reporting through the same line... John
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Yossarian		#20 Posted : 21 July 2014 13:42:28(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Brian Hagyard wrote: Dose the Risk change if Kirk or Pickard is Captain? Sorry but its Friday and its been a long weak! Only for the Kobayashi Maru scenario. ...Have I said too much?
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Yossarian		#21 Posted : 21 July 2014 13:46:56(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Or perhaps too little and too late based on others comments.
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Me		#22 Posted : 22 July 2014 15:15:26(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Hi humans, trekkies, aliens and the like, I would not advise taking on such a general risk management role unless you are versed & confident in enterprise risk management. As already said it comprises all risk, financial, marketplace, reputational, health and safety, infrastructure and so on. However, you could undertake a 6 month International Certificate in Risk Management, through the IRM (Institute of Risk Management) and ask you employer to pay for this, as it is needed for your job. Depending on all the risks of the org, and the health & safety job alone, you might need to recruit more staff.
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