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Thanks Jay, good information
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Thanks from me too. I am a lot happier now I have seen the draft and understand what to expect.
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The most welcome development is that after its first meeting in October 2013, the PC had reviewed its scope and had proposed that it should be extended to cover the development of “guidelines for use”, in addition to OH&S management system “requirements”. The proposal was submitted to the ISO/Technical Management Board (ISO/TMB) and had been agreed by its resolution 4/2014. (This is an extract from the communique on this committee ISO website public folder
Therefore unlike OHSAS 18001:2007 that only had the requirements, and one had to purchase OHSAS 18002 for the guidelines, ISO 45001 will have BOTH.
In the ISO/CD 45001, it is Annex A (informative), that has the guidance on the use of this International Standard....
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This is just the committee draft--later, there will be a "draft for public comment" in 2015. That will be more refined.
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Thanks for the info and links
How close to the finished standard do you think the draft is, considering it is not due out until 2016.
Chris
PS why would you buy the draft if you can view it free ? What's the catch ?
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The note to the draft states that:- This text has been prepared using the “high-level structure” (i.e. clause sequence, common text and terminology) provided in Annex SL, Appendix 2 of the ISO/IEC Directives, Part 1, Consolidated ISO Supplement, 2014. This is intended to enhance alignment among ISO’s management system standards, and to facilitate their implementation for organizations that need to meet the requirements of two or more such standards simultaneously.
The text of Annex SL is highlighted in the main body of the text (clauses 1 to 10) by the use of "blue font". This is only to facilitate analysis and will not be incorporated in the final version of ISO 45001.
This new harmonized approach allows for the addition of discipline-specific (in this case OH&S specific) text which hasbeen applied by including the following: a) specific OH&S management system requirements considered essential to meet the scope of the ISO 45001 standard; b) requirements and notes to clarify and ensure consistent interpretation and implementation of the common text in the context of an OH&S management system.
Where text from Annex SL has not been applied, this is indicated in "blue font with strikeout".
The text in Annex A presented in brown font was added during the editing of the CD, and has not yet been subject to review by ISO/PC 283/WG1.
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There is an IOSH news item dated 1st August, and a links to :- #a word format draft of ISO/CD 45001:2014 Occupational health and safety management systems. Requirements with guidance for use” # template for commenting via IOSH …IOSH is also organising a webinar for members on ISO 45001 and have secured David Smith (Chair of ISO PC 283--the ISO Technical Committee) as its speaker. The webinar will take place on 1 September 2014. http://www.iosh.co.uk/Ne...-45001-consultation.aspx
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It would be useful if all feedback could be passed to Richard Jones at the Grange as well so that as an institution we can give a broad range of feedback. His email is richard.jones@iosh.co.uk
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Seems odd that I can't copy any text I write into the comments sections within the Consultation so I can then paste into a composite mail to IOSH? Am I missing something obvious?
First comment from me relates to the Introduction / 'aims' / para c which identifies eliminating risk or minimising potential effects - but seems to be blind to reducing likelihood as a legitimate way of reducing risk??
Steve
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Jay I hope you then meant for us to discuss elements of it in your post and that I'm not hijacking.
These standards are ok but I do have a bit of a problem with the Continual Improvement section :-
"Section 10.2 Continual Improvement
The organization shall continually improve the suitability, adequacy and effectiveness of the OH&S management system to"
Once you have set up your system so that you are doing and controlling everything legally you should and lets say some best practice where this is deemed appropriate. Next year you have to improve - does this then fall into the category of "gold plating " ? Doing something only because you must in order to satisfy the standard. Would this then not be detrimental to H&S and add to the perceived view "there is too much H&S".
What are others thoughts
(ok ok It would be nice to be in that position, but that aside)
Chris
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When your MS is effective and providing good results, another form of improvement is to continue to achieve them with fewer resources, i.e. improved efficiency. 'Continual improvement' covers both aspects.
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A mainstay of all the management systems is this idea of "continual improvement". It's actually not a biggie to be honest. If you train your staff or retrain your staff then you have improved your system by making your staff more knowledgeable. If you swap out an old machine for a new one for example, you have made continuous improvement by bringing in better guarding and safety controls. If you reduce the number of cuts by bringing in a glove programme, you've made continuous improvement.
The auditors are not looking for grand gestures, they just need to see that you are constantly looking at ways of improving your programmes and systems so you stay abreast of developments and you don't stagnate.
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I accept that Management Systems certification, irrespective whether it is Health & Safety, Environmental, Quality etc does increase to some extent, the "burden" beyond minimum regulatory compliance, but mostly it is to do with the processes in the management system that are designed for a one size fits all. A classic example would be the requirement for "written" Health & Safety policy or Risk assessments which is only required when employing 5 or more--but in most cases, organisations that have such management systems will require "written " documentation !
The impact on the "small supplier(s)" from organisations that implement certificated Management Systems can be disproportionate , especially in low risk activities.
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I'm old enough to remember (and implement) BS5750. We were lead to believe this golden age was dawning where to tender for a job would just need you to wave a certificate under the nose of the client and they would no longer need lots of prequalification bumpf so life would be much much easier
Here we are 20-30 years later and I for some reason have come over all cynical
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Can anyone tell me how we foresee the unforeseeable? line 1412. also, This standard says it wants to align with the other management standard but defines management system differently to the others and changes the definition between the standard and the annex.
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