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SBH  
#1 Posted : 31 July 2014 16:22:19(UTC)
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SBH

We have moved staff into areas which are cramped offices which have historically changed since 1992 - modifications etc.

The regs state:

It shall be sufficient compliance with this regulation in a workplace which is not a new workplace, a modification, an extension or a conversion and which, immediately before this regulation came into force in respect of it, was subject to the provisions of the Factories Act 1961, if the workplace does not contravene the provisions of Part I of Schedule 1.

Does this mean therefore that the 11 cubic metre guidance is set in stone. Basically we have 6 people in 50 cubic metres with a desk each plus chairs.

Regardless of the regs is it to small anyway.

SBH
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 31 July 2014 16:34:55(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

I would say yes, it is too small because you have created a situation which did not previously exist by moving them in there.
peter gotch  
#3 Posted : 31 July 2014 16:56:09(UTC)
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peter gotch

SBH the 11 cu m predates the Workplace Regs and was set out in the Factories Act 1937 - metrication regs actually reduced the standard from 400 cubic feet to 388.46.

Prohibition of overcrowding legislation dates back till at least the Factory and Workshop Act 1895 required a minimum of 250 cu ft and 400 cu ft during overtime and gave the power to the Secretary of State to make an order to substitute higher figures where artificial light other than electric employed for illuminating purposes.

Order of 30 December 1903 made under the corresponding provisions of the Factory and Workshops Act 1901 (which consolidated numerous previous requirements) substituted 500 and 400, respectively, for the 250, for ALL underground bakehouses, and for above ground bakehouses lit other than by electric light.

So would have been non-compliant for a very long time!
Bigmac1  
#4 Posted : 31 July 2014 20:21:32(UTC)
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Bigmac1

Fire regs come into play too
Steve e ashton  
#5 Posted : 01 August 2014 16:49:36(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

The Schedule standard of 11m3 appears to me - according to my reading of the Regs - to only apply to premises previously subject to the Factories Act...... Which most offices would not have been (OSRP 63?) So not here?

How am I reading it wrong? Because I think the convoluted language used is unlikely to achieve what most of us might think would have been the objective.....

Yes, there have been limits since the year dot. But the standard required now is that there be sufficient space.... And what is 'sufficient' is down to that good old fall back - your own judgement...

Steve
jay  
#6 Posted : 01 August 2014 16:54:41(UTC)
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jay

Pls refer to the ACoP & Guidance to the regulations:-
The ACoP to Regulation 11:-

In most workplaces 11 cubic metres (11 m3) of space per person should
be taken as a minimum. This calculation should not take into account ceiling
heights in excess of 3 m. A space of 11 m3 per person may be insufficient if
much of the space is taken up with furnishing or equipment.

The minimum space referred to in paragraph 97 does not apply to:
----retail sales kiosks, attendants’ shelters, machine control cabs or similar small structures, where space is necessarily limited;
--rooms being used for lectures, meetings and similar purposes.
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