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coliedusty  
#1 Posted : 05 September 2014 10:57:24(UTC)
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coliedusty

I manage the H&S on a construction site and part of the site set up is to place a designated smoking shelter in a corner of the site, and the site rules are that smoking is only allowed in the smoking shelter and nowhere else on site.
An operative has asked if he can use an e-cigarette on site as he is trying to quit smoking and the rules are that he must use the smoking shelter which in a way is defeating the object.

has anyone else has a similar issue and if so how did they address it.
hopeful  
#2 Posted : 05 September 2014 12:09:05(UTC)
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hopeful

This has been discussed many times before, not necessarily this specifically but there are lots of threads where there similar issues discussed
bob youel  
#3 Posted : 05 September 2014 13:06:19(UTC)
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bob youel

As said before, after my personal extensive study, research etc. my advice is that rather than expose 'other' none smokers / non vapourer's to the vapour [yet vapour does exist and what stuff it gives of few if any know about etc. so those next to it take the vapour in e.g. passive vapouring and no supplier WHO/NHS research has been done re this area !] then treat vapouring in the same way as smoking

If you are a really considerate employer provide a vapouring only location noting that the NHS and many other smokers who have stopped etc. say that the only effective way to stop smoking is to go 'cold turkey' NB: Why have people lots of time on their hands as they are supposed to be working when at work not smoking etc.?

And yep it is better for a smoker to vapour instead of smoke but it is not better for the non smoker who is next to the vapourer taking in the vapour - as an experiment a number of vapourer's used a closed room and after a few mins a non-smoker went in only to get out fast as they could hardly breath as the room was full of fumes [even the vapourer's admitted the problem]

And don't forget that there is a very very large group doing what they can to push vapouring as there trillions of £ to be made and are doing what they can to get vapouring seen as good irrespective of the hazards - this is a similar situation to the early days of smoking etc.!!!!???
Dalziel  
#4 Posted : 05 September 2014 14:54:38(UTC)
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Dalziel

Coincidentally, I have literally today only just revised our smoking policy to include more detail regarding the use of e-cigarettes - stating that they will be treated as 'smoking materials' and will therefore be subject to the same control measures as standard cigarettes - and already the draft revision for approval from the senior management team is causing ructions!

Bob, you wouldn't happen to have a link to the experiment you have quoted by any chance? Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Dougie.
dhally  
#5 Posted : 05 September 2014 19:10:58(UTC)
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dhally

If its any help,i work in the industry,manufacturing these and they have to be used in designated areas outside the premises
bob youel  
#6 Posted : 06 September 2014 07:59:03(UTC)
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bob youel


the experiment was an in-house thing but its easy to reproduce - done to quickly and clearly provide a real picture

NB: 9 dead last year in the Merseyside area alone via fires caused by poor e-cig use/design -- For info talk to your local fire service about fires related to the use of e-cigs
RayRapp  
#7 Posted : 06 September 2014 09:17:39(UTC)
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RayRapp

With WHO upping the ante on e-cigs this has caused a lot of debate on the potential risks associated with vapours, etc. I have yet to se any hard facts but I find it hard to believe these vapours can cause any real harm to non-users. After all, e-cigs were designed to help smokers quit smoking, to that end they have been relatively successful I believe. People often site an extreme case forgetting that nothing in this world is without some risk. I wonder if all this nonsense will fade away like the risks associated with mobile telephones and radiation?
chris.packham  
#8 Posted : 06 September 2014 09:30:06(UTC)
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chris.packham

I was a heavy smoker - once. I haven't smoked since 1970, but I never gave up! I tried to give up several times, but the psychological pressure not to have a cigarette meant that each time I failed. I then tried a different approach. This was not to say that I had given up but to set myself a challenge to see how long I could go without a cigarette. There is a subtle difference. If I did have a cigarette I had not failed, but would note the interval and try to make it longer next time.

It worked for me as within a very short time I was not smoking at all. I have suggested this to others who have had difficulty stopping smoking and most have reported that it also worked for them. So perhaps for those who are having difficulty giving up smoking this might be an alternative approach that works. No guarantee, of course!

Chris
johnmurray  
#9 Posted : 06 September 2014 10:21:23(UTC)
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johnmurray

E-nicotine-inhalers...
Trying to give up smoking by only inhaling the addictive part of the tobacco?
firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 06 September 2014 10:34:38(UTC)
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firesafety101

To give up smoking you have to really WANT to. I gave up many years ago when my 8 year old son was copying me by mimicking me with a pencil. That was enough to make me give up after 20 years. My Mum in law recently gave up when her Consultant told her she would die if she didn't. That was on her way to the theatre to have veins replaced in her legs, however the Consultant told her to use E-ciggys instead, and that works for her. She has her e-ciggy in her hand/mouth constantly because it never goes out.

I found it interesting to hear the manufacture of e-cigs have their employees use them in a designated area.

What do they know that they are not divulging, and probably because they want to keep on manufacturing e-gigs for sale.

Rob E  
#11 Posted : 08 September 2014 15:45:45(UTC)
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Rob E

Hi, I have managed a similar problem. The coporate 'smokefree' policy suggests that smoking should not be at or near an entrance to any of the corporate sites, and like you this usually means hiding the shelter away in a quiet corner of the site.

Employees seem quite happy with arrangements for smoking at the shelter and have accepted that ecigarettes cannot be smoked in the premises. Our problem is the number of times smokers visit the shelter in a working day, but thats another discussion!

The difficulty is seeking the co-operation of visitors (in our case students), but it has to be said, a polite word is usually sufficient. The thought of a £60 fine for non compliance usually focusses the mind and feet in the direction of the shelter.

We promoted a 'stop smoking' campaign with the local NHS with varied results.

For what its worth, I stopped smoking in 1981..... 'Fox's glacier fruits' work, I stopped smoking, but did put some weight on!!!!!!



firesafety101  
#12 Posted : 08 September 2014 17:41:01(UTC)
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firesafety101

IMHO vapourers are not smokers and should not be subjected to the dirty smelly produce of cigarette smokers.

If you segregate smokers you should also segregate vapourers and spend the same amount of money on a shelter for them.

Please note that a cigarette smoker will usually spend the time it takes to smoke a ciggy in the shelter while an E-Ciggy will never go out therefore the vapourer could remain in the shelter all day.

Hey ho there you go the non smokers and non vapourers remain at their stations and carry on working without the regular breaks the others take. Smoking really is good for you in that regard.
sidestep45  
#13 Posted : 09 September 2014 09:00:24(UTC)
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sidestep45

bob youel wrote:



NB: 9 dead last year in the Merseyside area alone via fires caused by poor e-cig use/design -- For info talk to your local fire service about fires related to the use of e-cigs


This seems an amazingly high figure Bob can you quote your sources?
ashley.willson  
#14 Posted : 09 September 2014 12:27:47(UTC)
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I have been asked this before.

I set up a dedicated area for e-cig users which consisted of an area away from the normal smoking area. When contested I used the 'untested vapour' bit. I also used the fact that smoking while working can be a distraction to working safely. Especially with some of the e-cigs that are available. They are quite long and cannot just be held in the mouth! Plus there is the potential for contamination of the mouth piece when carrying out certain types of work (e.g. with chemicals). I felt it was easier to implement a smoking only in smoking areas, vaporing only in vaporing areas and eating/drinking only in welfare areas. It cleared up a lot of confusion and made things clear and, in my opinion, safe(r) for all persons on site!
paulw71  
#15 Posted : 09 September 2014 15:28:48(UTC)
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paulw71

sidestep45 wrote:
bob youel wrote:



NB: 9 dead last year in the Merseyside area alone via fires caused by poor e-cig use/design -- For info talk to your local fire service about fires related to the use of e-cigs


This seems an amazingly high figure Bob can you quote your sources?



There have been 9 "fires" on merseyside related to ecigs. Not deaths.
johnmurray  
#16 Posted : 09 September 2014 16:01:22(UTC)
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johnmurray

"If you segregate smokers you should also segregate vapourers and spend the same amount of money on a shelter for them"

It is not segregation, it is separation for legal reasons!
Although I have yet to see people chose to not provide a place that persons spend an hour a day, feeding an addiction, on full pay.
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