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allankerr82  
#1 Posted : 09 September 2014 13:03:59(UTC)
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allankerr82

Hello all,

I have recently taken on a H&S position and I am currently in the process of reviewing our practices and methods, particularly our incident recording. I have come up against a bit of a conundrum regarding our accident analysis and how my predecessor arrived at his figures. The report states the figures have been formulated using 'ILO recommended statistics' as below.

Safety Performance Rating *
Incidence 3.6 Injuries/100people
Frequency 2.0 Injuries/100k hrs
Severity 0.0 LT Days/1k hrs

Inj. Emp. Hrs. LT hrs LT days
6 168 302240 2.5 0

The most baffling aspect for me is how the hours worked were obtained, as on consultation with HR they can't recall providing specific figures and I am unable to 'reverse engineer' the outcomes. I should add however, that algebra/mathematics has never been a strong point of mine and there is every chance that this is a massive misunderstanding on my part! I would be grateful if anyone here could clarify this issue for me.

Thanks!
HSSnail  
#2 Posted : 09 September 2014 13:26:23(UTC)
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HSSnail

6 injuries to 168 employers = 6 divided by 1.68 = 3.57etc injuries per 100 people round up to 3.6
6 injuries over 302240 hours = 6 divided by 3 (rounding up) = 2 injuries per 100K hours worked
No lost time from these injuries.

now where he got the 6 injuries, 168 employees , 302240 hours worked only you can work out.

Does that help?
peter gotch  
#3 Posted : 09 September 2014 13:37:46(UTC)
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peter gotch

Allan

He's worked it out (I think) on the assumption that all 168 are full time employed (or that there are 168 full time equivalents) on 40 hour contracts and no overtime.

5 days a week - 365 days per year x 5 divided by 7 = 261 days per year.

Less 36 days annual leave + public holidays = 225 working days per year = 302240 hours.

All calculations rounded.
Salis  
#4 Posted : 09 September 2014 13:38:29(UTC)
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Salis

One question, do you work 37.5 hours at your site?

allankerr82  
#5 Posted : 09 September 2014 13:45:38(UTC)
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allankerr82

Salis wrote:
One question, do you work 37.5 hours at your site?



This is the issue I have. We have a mixture of permanent staff, contracted staff and students (we are a commercial training organisation), working on a mixture of part time, full time and hourly. I suppose my main question is how is best to encapsulate these hours worked into a sensible format? I have spoken to HR on the matter and it seems like it would cause an impracticable amount of effort to obtain precise figures. Is rounding up such a diverse collection of figures acceptable and will the outcome hold any value?

allankerr82  
#6 Posted : 09 September 2014 13:48:29(UTC)
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allankerr82

peter gotch wrote:
Allan

He's worked it out (I think) on the assumption that all 168 are full time employed (or that there are 168 full time equivalents) on 40 hour contracts and no overtime.

5 days a week - 365 days per year x 5 divided by 7 = 261 days per year.

Less 36 days annual leave + public holidays = 225 working days per year = 302240 hours.

All calculations rounded.


Thank you for taking the time to analyse the figures for me, I have spent a fair amount of time trying to establish what you have done there! However, as I replied to another member previously, I have my doubts about the accuracy of that figure in terms of the reality of hours that are actually being worked. Or am I being too fussy?
Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 09 September 2014 13:52:07(UTC)
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Roundtuit

In the absence of clear information from payroll your predecessor may have worked on an assumption of available working hours per employee as either an annual or monthly calculation.

365 days
less standard holiday entitlements
less public holidays
less any adjustments for pattern e.g. Mon-Fri only or Mon-Fri plus 1/2 day Saturday etc.
multiplied by daily standard hours (no overtime included and excluding any unpaid breaks)

Using this for an office worker on 20 days annual leave completing 7.5 hours paid per day would be = (365-20-8-104) x 7.5 = 1,747.5 Hours.

Or they could have run similar calculations every month - Assuming 1/12 total holiday entitlement reduction from the available working days in the month the same office worker during September 2014 would be 22 days less 2.33 holidays x 7.5 = 147.5 Hours

Gets a little more complex with different hours / working patterns / holiday entitlements new starters and leavers which is where a spread sheet starts to come in handy
Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 09 September 2014 13:52:07(UTC)
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Roundtuit

In the absence of clear information from payroll your predecessor may have worked on an assumption of available working hours per employee as either an annual or monthly calculation.

365 days
less standard holiday entitlements
less public holidays
less any adjustments for pattern e.g. Mon-Fri only or Mon-Fri plus 1/2 day Saturday etc.
multiplied by daily standard hours (no overtime included and excluding any unpaid breaks)

Using this for an office worker on 20 days annual leave completing 7.5 hours paid per day would be = (365-20-8-104) x 7.5 = 1,747.5 Hours.

Or they could have run similar calculations every month - Assuming 1/12 total holiday entitlement reduction from the available working days in the month the same office worker during September 2014 would be 22 days less 2.33 holidays x 7.5 = 147.5 Hours

Gets a little more complex with different hours / working patterns / holiday entitlements new starters and leavers which is where a spread sheet starts to come in handy
chris42  
#9 Posted : 09 September 2014 13:53:19(UTC)
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chris42

I agree with #3 ( and I think where #4 is going)

302240 /168 = 1799 (hours per person per year)

Assume 48 working weeks per year is 1799 /48 = 37.48 round up to 37.5 hours per week per person.

Chris
walker  
#10 Posted : 09 September 2014 13:57:30(UTC)
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walker

peter gotch wrote:


36 days annual leave + public holidays


Blimey!
No wonder your guys I work with are so smug
Please send me a job application form
chris42  
#11 Posted : 09 September 2014 13:57:33(UTC)
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chris42

I got distracted and more posts during my typing. You are looking for comparisons year to year, so provided you use the same criteria they can be compared.

Wages department always know working hours ( but you have to take a little bit of best view sometimes)

Chris
pl53  
#12 Posted : 09 September 2014 14:03:57(UTC)
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pl53

At the end of the day it is only a comparitor so it doesn't really matter if it is exactly accurate. It is used to indicate improvements or deterioration in performance within your organisation. As long as you continue to use the same system then the only variables that matter are the increase or decrease in accidents and the number of hours worked.
allankerr82  
#13 Posted : 09 September 2014 15:40:46(UTC)
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allankerr82

Thank you all for the replies, very informative and helpful.

imwaldra  
#14 Posted : 10 September 2014 11:34:13(UTC)
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imwaldra

IOSH recommendation is to use rates per 100 employees per year, rather than estimated hours. This is mainly because working in hours becomes a specialist communication exercise (as can be seen from the helpful posts above), when what we should be doing is expressing things in the ways that make sense to non-specialists - and nearly everyone can visualise what 100 full-time employees look like! (unless in a very small organisation, when the statistics are more influenced by chance anyway, and so less useful).

Most HR people have systems in place to know how many full time equivalents are employed (FTEs), though few organisations still record actual hours worked.
peter gotch  
#15 Posted : 10 September 2014 13:05:08(UTC)
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peter gotch

Walker

No we don't get 36 days holiday a year! but some organisations are this generous.
Mebo  
#16 Posted : 10 September 2014 16:22:52(UTC)
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Mebo

peter gotch wrote:
Walker

No we don't get 36 days holiday a year! but some organisations are this generous.


Really? Can you name one? I'd like to apply for a job! 20 days seems to be the norm now.
Animax01  
#17 Posted : 10 September 2014 16:41:52(UTC)
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Animax01

20 here and we have to take 3/4 out of that for the Christmas shut down.... That being said, we were awarded an extra days holiday this month for a good performance. First time in the 12 years I've been here.
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