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I have tried a search of the forums but it's Friday so it doesn't seem to be helping me much...
Anyone got a link or copy of the basic procedure I can have. I am reasearching BBS for a Romanian company and would like to use this as an example...just can't find a reference..
Any help would be greatly appreciated..
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136 views and nothing....? Google helped with this the forum search didn't... http://forum.iosh.co.uk/?g=posts&t=100124Can anyone help with a copy procedure or even just an overview document that I can reference?
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As Lawlee says, tell us what BBS is and you might get more help
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Behaviours Based Safety..
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I can't see how a complex concept can be "boiled down" to a procedure.
I have observed that in the construction industry, it has been hijacked as " blame the workers for all accidents".
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I rather think you are referring to the DWP Jobcentre + process that was based around my Adaptation of the Total Australia Take 5 process together with the Incident Report Card Scheme. There have been many of these and I have found that they have indeed morphed into very bureaucratic schemes when they were originally intended to get employees to consider the safety aspects of the task both before and while they were undertaking the work - effectively a dynamic risk assessment process. The ICs then served as a simple method of informing management about situations, risks, difficulties and changes that have developed within the task. Supervision was then required to feed back on their actions.
At the end of the day the intention is to create greater involvement and a sense of interdependence within the process of assessing and managing risk. BBS as it stood seemed to end up as a routine supervisory task.
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If you are thinking of carding an operative, the first question you should consider is should I be carding their supervisor (or some other manager) instead?
Ask the operative WHY they are working in unsafe conditions or exhibiting unsafe behaviours.
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Peter
This use of carding was one of the things I desperately wanted to avoid as many derived processes have concentrated on this aspect, hence it was down to a nominated supervisor to assess and make initial response to an Incident Card. I expected a half decent root cause analysis if an employee was to be "carded" in any way.
Bob
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quote=boblewis]Peter
This use of carding was one of the things I desperately wanted to avoid as many derived processes have concentrated on this aspect, hence it was down to a nominated supervisor to assess and make initial response to an Incident Card. I expected a half decent root cause analysis if an employee was to be "carded" in any way.
Bob These things always get hijacked by others as a shortcut to getting what they want. Mainly dumb managers who can't be bothered to properly understand H&S Any incident incident that "blames" a sharp end worker gets drilled down by me to root cause management failings - and I'm not very popular as a result. The only reason this site is plagued with RIDDOR "do I or don't Is" is that businesses have turned it into something it was never intended to be - some sort of shorthand for "look we are a safe company".
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most things that start with good intentions end up being hijacked along the way and this may be one of them
I worked with doctors of Human Factors years ago who all maintained that management needed to take on responsibility noting that cultural change is a long constant process and is not easy to achieve but such approaches were not to business liking so things were turned into data gathering exercises which benefitted nobody really but it looked good for the stats!
I recently evaluated a companies management system who included such things and they were proud of their achievements however they have also received >£800K of fines etc. at the same time whilst having such systems in place!?
That said if a company does behavioural safety analysis properly which is backed up by a proper system then such things can be very beneficial
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Bob Y
Totally agree with you. I suppose the difficult area of targets and objectives often forms the backdrop to much of this. The sense seems to be that if we do enough of this or that we will be a safe employer to worm for. The real problem is the culture - the statistic chasing manager is often the one to overlook or ignore safety when walking about the premises/site/factory, leaving the impression that actually safety is not really that important.
Perhaps this is why I always tried to get people to express and work to Expectations as it means they somehow have to engage with what they are doing and whether this is what they truly want.
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Sorry
Employer to WORK for
Where is that edit button?
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boblewis wrote:Bob Y
The real problem is the culture - the statistic chasing manager is often the one to overlook or ignore safety when walking about the premises/site/factory, leaving the impression that actually safety is not really that important. . Which is pretty much the conclusion of the Baker commission about BP. Every "big UK company" ought to be asking " are we the next BP?" Its a real pity that HSE & IOSH did not look at the Baker report closely Anyone who has not seen it, I think its still a free download and well worth the read
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BP was at that time an organisation in flux as the leader, Lord Brown, had stood down and the drive to hold things together faltered. This allowed the US arm to drift away to a degree and messages were lost. It is a splendid example of policy drift and of change management control failure. It does show the need for continuous and ongoing management input.
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quote=boblewis]BP was at that time an organisation in flux as the leader, Lord Brown, had stood down and the drive to hold things together faltered. This allowed the US arm to drift away to a degree and messages were lost. It is a splendid example of policy drift and of change management control failure. It does show the need for continuous and ongoing management input. I don't agree. The rot set in during browns reign. The place was numbers driven and they spent their time telling each other how world class they were. Anyone not on message was out. You see it everywhere in big organisations. If you have been around as long as I have, you can look back and watch them implode. Bitter, yes a bit: I was an employee in the darling of the stock exchange in the 80s which was killed off by greedy directors cooking the books to boost shares. That company no longer exist and neither does my pension!
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