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jarsmith83  
#1 Posted : 22 October 2014 08:46:52(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Hi ladies/gents Can someone confirm whether a scaffold needs to be inspected every seven days if the structure is "out of use"? A hand over has been complete with hand over certificate, but there is a gap in our programme of works. The scaffold is accessible to the public however, alarms are in place and signage proposed to state "danger incomplete scaffold" or of that ilk. Scaffold guidance states every seven days an inspection must be carried out along with the other requirements, strong winds etc, but does not guide on my question above. Many thanks
boblewis  
#2 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:46:59(UTC)
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Lawlee45239  
#3 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:53:01(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

jarsmith83 wrote:
Hi ladies/gents Can someone confirm whether a scaffold needs to be inspected every seven days if the structure is "out of use"? A hand over has been complete with hand over certificate, but there is a gap in our programme of works. The scaffold is accessible to the public however, alarms are in place and signage proposed to state "danger incomplete scaffold" or of that ilk. Scaffold guidance states every seven days an inspection must be carried out along with the other requirements, strong winds etc, but does not guide on my question above. Many thanks
So the scaffold is not 'incomplete' just not in use? I would inspect every 7 days regardless, and then do a full in dept inspection with hand over again when the programme re-kicks off
Acts 8:37  
#4 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:53:36(UTC)
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Acts 8:37

jarsmith83 wrote:
Hi ladies/gents Can someone confirm whether a scaffold needs to be inspected every seven days if the structure is "out of use"? A hand over has been complete with hand over certificate, but there is a gap in our programme of works. The scaffold is accessible to the public however, alarms are in place and signage proposed to state "danger incomplete scaffold" or of that ilk. Scaffold guidance states every seven days an inspection must be carried out along with the other requirements, strong winds etc, but does not guide on my question above. Many thanks
If its up, I would inspect it
achrn  
#5 Posted : 22 October 2014 11:33:07(UTC)
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achrn

jarsmith83 wrote:
Hi ladies/gents Can someone confirm whether a scaffold needs to be inspected every seven days if the structure is "out of use"?
As I understand it, no it doesn't. WAH regs are explicit - "every employer shall ensure that a working platform (a)used for construction work; and (b)from which a person could fall 2 metres or more, is not used in any position unless it has been inspected in that position or, in the case of a mobile working platform, inspected on the site, within the previous 7 days." (12 (4)) So it can't be used unless it's been inspected within 7 days previously. If you don't inspect for 7 days you'll need an inspection before it goes back into use, but there's no (statutory) requirement to inspect platforms not in use every 7 days.
Acts 8:37  
#6 Posted : 22 October 2014 12:04:10(UTC)
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Acts 8:37

achrn wrote:
jarsmith83 wrote:
Hi ladies/gents Can someone confirm whether a scaffold needs to be inspected every seven days if the structure is "out of use"?
As I understand it, no it doesn't. WAH regs are explicit - "every employer shall ensure that a working platform (a)used for construction work; and (b)from which a person could fall 2 metres or more, is not used in any position unless it has been inspected in that position or, in the case of a mobile working platform, inspected on the site, within the previous 7 days." (12 (4)) So it can't be used unless it's been inspected within 7 days previously. If you don't inspect for 7 days you'll need an inspection before it goes back into use, but there's no (statutory) requirement to inspect platforms not in use every 7 days.
Very interesting. Not being in the scaffolding 'game' it seems to me that the requirement would be down to the definition of the word 'used'......it doesnt mention a person having to be actually on the scaffold. I would still inspect just to be on the safe side! Would the HSE still class the scaffold as being used because it is up?
Acts 8:37  
#7 Posted : 22 October 2014 12:18:47(UTC)
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Acts 8:37

Acts 8:37 wrote:
achrn wrote:
jarsmith83 wrote:
Hi ladies/gents Can someone confirm whether a scaffold needs to be inspected every seven days if the structure is "out of use"?
As I understand it, no it doesn't. WAH regs are explicit - "every employer shall ensure that a working platform (a)used for construction work; and (b)from which a person could fall 2 metres or more, is not used in any position unless it has been inspected in that position or, in the case of a mobile working platform, inspected on the site, within the previous 7 days." (12 (4)) So it can't be used unless it's been inspected within 7 days previously. If you don't inspect for 7 days you'll need an inspection before it goes back into use, but there's no (statutory) requirement to inspect platforms not in use every 7 days.
Very interesting. Not being in the scaffolding 'game' it seems to me that the requirement would be down to the definition of the word 'used'......it doesnt mention a person having to be actually on the scaffold. I would still inspect just to be on the safe side! Would the HSE still class the scaffold as being used because it is up?
http://www.hse.gov.uk/co...pics/scaffoldinginfo.htm It is the scaffold users / hirers responsibility to ensure that all scaffolding has been inspected as follows: * following installation / before first use * at an interval of no more than every 7 days thereafter * following any circumstances liable to jeopardise the safety of the installation eg high winds.
achrn  
#8 Posted : 22 October 2014 12:20:35(UTC)
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achrn

Acts 8:37 wrote:
Not being in the scaffolding 'game' it seems to me that the requirement would be down to the definition of the word 'used'......it doesnt mention a person having to be actually on the scaffold. I would still inspect just to be on the safe side! Would the HSE still class the scaffold as being used because it is up?
I would say obviously not. Firstly, if statute does not define a word, that word has its ordinary sense, and in ordinary parlance 'use' does not mean 'exist'. I could say I have not used my car for three days, and no-one in their right mind would think that my car has been dismantled - it's quite happily sitting on my drive, unused. Secondly, because certain of the WAH regs requirements make no sense whatsoever if you adopt that interpretation. "Every employer shall ensure that ... [work equipment] is not used after installation or assembly in any position unless it has been inspected in that position" makes no sense if 'used' includes 'installed'. You shall ensure you don't install equipment after it has been installed?
Acts 8:37  
#9 Posted : 22 October 2014 12:28:52(UTC)
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Acts 8:37

achrn wrote:
Acts 8:37 wrote:
Not being in the scaffolding 'game' it seems to me that the requirement would be down to the definition of the word 'used'......it doesnt mention a person having to be actually on the scaffold. I would still inspect just to be on the safe side! Would the HSE still class the scaffold as being used because it is up?
I would say obviously not. Firstly, if statute does not define a word, that word has its ordinary sense, and in ordinary parlance 'use' does not mean 'exist'. I could say I have not used my car for three days, and no-one in their right mind would think that my car has been dismantled - it's quite happily sitting on my drive, unused. Secondly, because certain of the WAH regs requirements make no sense whatsoever if you adopt that interpretation. "Every employer shall ensure that ... [work equipment] is not used after installation or assembly in any position unless it has been inspected in that position" makes no sense if 'used' includes 'installed'. You shall ensure you don't install equipment after it has been installed?
Good post, I see what your saying, as I originally stated....very interesting!
boblewis  
#10 Posted : 22 October 2014 13:57:17(UTC)
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boblewis

Sorry I went off piste and answered a different question with my foggy morning head. WAH regs do require that any scaffold in use needs to have been inspected within the last 7 days BUT other factors come into play outside of this such as Public and Employer Liability and any recommendations of designers to prevent collapse through deterioration. If you look at the general requirements for falsework and temporary supporting structures you can see that generally such structures have been known to fail even when not in use for work purposes. Certainly I would be very uneasy with the scaffold being left incomplete. I am also not sure I can go with the scaffold being accessible to the Public, albeit with alarms. I would be looking for a full security fence around the access points.
jarsmith83  
#11 Posted : 22 October 2014 20:27:29(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Thanks All Appreciate all the replies, now for me to come clean: I am a safety professional that was (ticket expired) a scaffold inspector. I have posed this question in a naive format to draw answers rather than steer the debate. I was asked this question yesterday and was the responded to with "well that's not what our scaffold contractors are saying". My answer being the following: "The scaffold will need to be examined regardless of the 7 day intervals recommended in guidance and stated in regs due to our responsibility and duty of care to the public, it being a structure in a public area." I ask another H&S professional today (client side) this question but was looked at with arrogance, him basically stating my thoughts. The problem I had is, apart from his arrogance, he wasn't one hundred percent sure and couldn't direct me to anything concrete in terms of guidance. Has anyone come across of this ilk? I would also add: if the scaffold was in a fully enclosed area, there would be no need to inspect the structure as by risk default, there would be no chance of anyone using or standing near the structure.....just my thoughts on this.
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