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I was looking in to information on a CDM Folder and was trying to find headings about what to put in there. The building its self is just going to be steel frame with cladding so i was a little concerned on what i should put in the folder other than underground service maps and details of what the building will be made of and the electrical details is there anything else that i should insert in there.
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Matt
Could you clarify what you mean by a cdm folder ? what is going to be its intended purpose ? and in what capacity you have been asked to put it together ?
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I am going to build a CDM folder as the CDM coordinator for building works that we are going to have going on. I was under the understanding that i would have to build and manage a CDM folder as the CDM coordinator
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Matt
I beleive the terminology is a Health and Safety File. It should contain information relevant to the future cleaning and maintenance of the building, any future construction works and finally demolition.
In addition to what you have suggested some of the following may be relevant.
Parties involved in the contract
materials and suppliers
As built drawings of structure, piling layout, M&E installation
structural loadings
sequence of erection/dismantling
O&M Manuals for any plant
details of mechanical services
maintenance procedures /requirements of any installed plant
details of any residual hazards
commissioning and test certs
warranties and guarantees
Is this all you have been asked to do in relation to your role as CDMC ?
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Hmmm a CDM Coordinator who doesn't know what to do as CDM C?
IMO you are out of your depth and need to go back to the Client who appointed you and let them know.
Paul may be right saying it is the H&S File and there is guidance in the ACOP on what to collect, I I do CDM C work and have a few different folders, that is the way I work but seriously if you don't know you cannot be competent.
Have you carried out all other CDM C duties, i.e. Notified the project to HSE?
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I do not feel out of my depth i was just curious in what the file should contain as there is a lot of other things that can go there. I just did not want to over the load file with information that was not relevant. The HSE Will be getting notified of the build on Monday next week as it isn't starting to the 15th of November. I have also been asked to do the many other roles that a CDMC would do to.
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Matt
Have you had a good look at the CDM acop, managing health and safety in construction.
With the best will in the world you sound a bit new to this and it may be worth you getting more of a handle on your own reponsibilities, knowledge requirements and those of the other dutyholders before you start putting your name to things.
Regards
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Matt16 wrote:I was looking in to information on a CDM Folder and was trying to find headings about what to put in there. The building its self is just going to be steel frame with cladding so i was a little concerned on what i should put in the folder other than underground service maps and details of what the building will be made of and the electrical details is there anything else that i should insert in there.
Matt,
What exactly are you looking to prepare? Is it the Statutory Pre-Construction Information, Construction Phase Plan or the Statutory Health and Safety File?
If it is the H&S File, have a look at paragraph 263 of the ACOP. Are you sure that you are able to meet the statutory requirements of Regulation 4 and 20?
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quote=FireSafety101]Hmmm a CDM Coordinator who doesn't know what to do as CDM C?
IMO you are out of your depth and need to go back to the Client who appointed you and let them know.
Agree with this.
This is a strange question to be asking, iv seen a lot of H&S files and am aware of their contents being on the receiving end of them. But, to be a Coordinator with all the statutory responsibilities that goes along with this position, asking this question on here 'because I have been asked to do this' concerns me.
Sorry that this is not helpful to Matt.
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Matt16 wrote:I am going to build a CDM folder as the CDM coordinator for building works that we are going to have going on. I was under the understanding that i would have to build and manage a CDM folder as the CDM coordinator
Matt, I am still not sure what you are trying to achieve with your "Health and Safety Folder". If the document is the Construction Phase Plan, then that is role of the Principal Contractor to prepare that and not the role of the CDM-C.
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Matt, I am still not sure what you are trying to achieve with your "Health and Safety Folder". If the document is the Construction Phase Plan, then that is role of the Principal Contractor to prepare that and not the role of the CDM-C.
Stedman,
Don't forget the CDMC has to have input into the phase plan too!
(c)liaise with the principal contractor regarding—
(i)the contents of the health and safety file,
(ii)the information which the principal contractor needs to prepare the construction phase plan, and
(iii)any design development which may affect planning and management of the construction work.
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paulw71 wrote:Matt
I beleive the terminology is a Health and Safety File. It should contain information relevant to the future cleaning and maintenance of the building, any future construction works and finally demolition.
In addition to what you have suggested some of the following may be relevant.
Parties involved in the contract
materials and suppliers
As built drawings of structure, piling layout, M&E installation
structural loadings
sequence of erection/dismantling
O&M Manuals for any plant
details of mechanical services
maintenance procedures /requirements of any installed plant
details of any residual hazards
commissioning and test certs
warranties and guarantees
Is this all you have been asked to do in relation to your role as CDMC ?
I disagree with some of that list (and so does the ACOP, to my reading).
Specifically, the ACOP explicitly states that details of the contractors and designers involved in the project is not needed, and neither is details about the normal operation of the completed structure. Thus, 'parties involved in the contract', 'materials and suppliers', 'O&M Manuals for any plant', 'warranties and guarantees' are mostly out of place in the H&S file - only required if, for example, a particular material gives rise to a residual maintenance or demolition hazard.
Much of that stuff could be in a contact archive, and/or O&M manuals, and the ACOP states that information that is found elsewhere should simply be cross-referenced. It's information taht will rpesumably be useful to teh client, but its proper place is not teh H&S file.
Returning to the original question, I think the ACOP paragraphs 256 to 264 actually does a pretty good job of defining what should be in the file.
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achrn wrote:paulw71 wrote:Matt
I beleive the terminology is a Health and Safety File. It should contain information relevant to the future cleaning and maintenance of the building, any future construction works and finally demolition.
In addition to what you have suggested some of the following may be relevant.
Parties involved in the contract
materials and suppliers
As built drawings of structure, piling layout, M&E installation
structural loadings
sequence of erection/dismantling
O&M Manuals for any plant
details of mechanical services
maintenance procedures /requirements of any installed plant
details of any residual hazards
commissioning and test certs
warranties and guarantees
Is this all you have been asked to do in relation to your role as CDMC ?
I disagree with some of that list (and so does the ACOP, to my reading).
Specifically, the ACOP explicitly states that details of the contractors and designers involved in the project is not needed, and neither is details about the normal operation of the completed structure. Thus, 'parties involved in the contract', 'materials and suppliers', 'O&M Manuals for any plant', 'warranties and guarantees' are mostly out of place in the H&S file - only required if, for example, a particular material gives rise to a residual maintenance or demolition hazard.
Much of that stuff could be in a contact archive, and/or O&M manuals, and the ACOP states that information that is found elsewhere should simply be cross-referenced. It's information taht will rpesumably be useful to teh client, but its proper place is not teh H&S file.
Returning to the original question, I think the ACOP paragraphs 256 to 264 actually does a pretty good job of defining what should be in the file.
Your entitled to disagree, and I am aware of what is stated in the acop and what the HSE considers should be in a H&S file however every client I have ever worked for has requested this info be included.
As I am sure you are aware the H&S file and the building O&M manual are usually incorprated into a single document.
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Matt16 has asked for some guidance, not much help from here if we cannot agree among ourselves? Problem is he needs to be more specific with the question, otherwise we are all guessing, and I still think he is out of his depth.
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