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stonecold  
#1 Posted : 05 January 2015 09:24:16(UTC)
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stonecold

I understand the HSE recomends the implemnentaion of the management standards for work related stress to reduce the chance of employees becoming exposured to occupational stressors which in some cases could lead to the typcial symptoms of stress and therefore ill health. But what do you do if you have an employee off with work related stress? Do you carry out an assessment with the employee in attempt to identify the occupational stressor, refer to Occ health or HR? Just interested in other peoples approach
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 05 January 2015 09:43:56(UTC)
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RayRapp

Clearly you need to understand what has caused the work related stress, how to prevent it in the future and you can only do that by discussing the issues with the employee. Ideally you should have a policy/procedure for this purpose. In the absence of one you will need to agree with HR what is the best way forward in line with the company return to work policy.
stonecold  
#3 Posted : 05 January 2015 09:46:24(UTC)
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stonecold

Thanks Ray. We do have a process and that includes carrying out an assessment with the employee as you described. I have read that some people beleive such one on one stress risk assessments are ineffective hence my question. I personally have had some success in the approach we use which is pretty much the same as you describe.
aud  
#4 Posted : 05 January 2015 13:18:46(UTC)
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aud

You asked for how others see / deal with this. I say - use the same approach as with any other absence such as a reported ‘bad back’. Firstly, any risk of the complaint arising from work should / could have been identified in advance (sometimes called risk assessment). If stress is a risk from a particular job role, this ought to be evident (and may well be where you are already). Secondly, neither the bad back example nor ‘stress’ is a proper diagnosis. GPs seem only too willing to state ‘work related stress’ on fit notes, only having the patients word for this. Stress is a hazard not an illness. It may cause illnesses – these are diverse and need to be clarified by a medical practitioner. So if someone is absent through any properly diagnosed ill health condition, the work causation element (‘my bad back is from lifting stuff at work’, ‘my stress is caused by difficulties at work’) has to be investigated. (See first point). Therefore the initial step (for you) is to enquire further at the coalface, rather than via the individual, asking for example: Is such a condition possible? How could it have happened? Any evidence or confirmation? It is too easy to get sucked in to filling in (stress) questionnaires for individuals almost as the first action. Would you do this with a reported ‘bad back’? There is also the OH option for those with access to a service. Treat as usual absence, whilst investigating work risk potential. Return to work procedure as per any absence, and follow up, to be done by manager of course (by all means sit on their shoulder to guide). If a work connection IS established, (ie a risk) then take a look at the control measures in place and go from there. Some HSE material on stress has suggested that there are no intrinsically stressful occupations. Hmm – disagree.
teh_boy  
#5 Posted : 05 January 2015 13:45:43(UTC)
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teh_boy

aud wrote:
. Some HSE material on stress has suggested that there are no intrinsically stressful occupations. Hmm – disagree.
Good advice - yet I see stress as the adverse reaction to pressure. You can work in a high pressure industry and find this to be a good motivator, or you can work in what would traditionally be considered a low pressure environment but find high levels of pressure leading to stress. Also - personal factors always play a part, and I think it is very rare that stress has one cause. This makes the whole thing very complicated.
stonecold  
#6 Posted : 05 January 2015 13:53:52(UTC)
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stonecold

Thanks for the comments. Agree its complicated. Also dont quite understand the HSE guidnance which apperantly quotes that there are no intrinscially stressful occupations. Seems like a crazy thing to say, also sure the nearly 500,000 people who go off sick every year wity occupational stress related illness would also disagree! :)
RayRapp  
#7 Posted : 05 January 2015 13:59:46(UTC)
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RayRapp

teh_boy wrote:
aud wrote:
. Some HSE material on stress has suggested that there are no intrinsically stressful occupations. Hmm – disagree.
As I recall the above followed a House of Lords judgment in Barber v Somerset CC (4x test cases) seen as a landmark for stress related claims. The good Lords agreed that no occupation was intrinsically more stressful than any other in order to ensure a level playing field.
stonecold  
#8 Posted : 05 January 2015 14:01:35(UTC)
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stonecold

Interesting judgement thanks for clarifying where it comes from so working as a air traffic controller or working as a teacher in the inner city is no more stressful than working in build a bear? lol ;)
Mr.Flibble  
#9 Posted : 05 January 2015 14:27:58(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Have you been into a build a bear at a Weekend....all those screaming children...stress is all releative!
RayRapp  
#10 Posted : 05 January 2015 14:44:30(UTC)
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RayRapp

stonecold wrote:
Thanks Ray. We do have a process and that includes carrying out an assessment with the employee as you described. I have read that some people beleive such one on one stress risk assessments are ineffective hence my question. I personally have had some success in the approach we use which is pretty much the same as you describe.
Where a formal process of work related stress RAs have been carried out they tend to be generic and to be honest not that useful because stress is very personal, plus factors outside work can have a big impact and are obviously difficult to control. Work related stress often involves bullying, harassment, work overload, relationships and so on. I suggest these factors should be investigated to assess the potential problems. Only through a one to one can you properly identify the problem - if one exists at all. We have to be open minded and recognise that sometimes people take time off work for all manner of reasons. Stress is convenient because of its intangible factors.
Dawood Olayiwola  
#11 Posted : 06 January 2015 05:42:58(UTC)
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Dawood Olayiwola

This is a very good topic of discussion forum. Stress or occupational stress is happening everywhere. Currently,i am facing the challenges among the work force in my project site. But based on my personal assessment.First and foremost,i would conduct a one on one personal interview assessment with the affected employee in attempt to understand the impetus connected with his or her occupational stressor before refer to the HR or occupational health department. Having done that, workers job related stress usually come in different forms.The root causes of occupational stress might be personal factors or organisational factors. The personal factors may be money problem, marriage or divorce problem, family problem,personal ill health problem may come from addicted to smoking,drug,alcohol,peer group pressure and so on. Organisational factors may come from lack of promotion, salary problem,lack of recognition or appreciation, bullying at work, work demand, reporting line problem or constant friction with direct manager or supervisor or even conflict management or lack of support and many more. Mr. Ray, once you know the root cause of employee job related stress,then you will know appropriate precautionary or corrective measures to manage the stress. Could you believe that one on one personal advice can be a lasting solution to stress? it is not every occupational stress that can be manage by the health advisor. Thank you. Dawood. AbuDhabi.
Steve SJP RM  
#12 Posted : 06 January 2015 16:51:17(UTC)
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Steve SJP RM

Excellent thread - very much in the vain of occupational health topics at present - "I can also clarify that #buildabear is very stressful on a Saturday for a parent, let alone a employee" Anyway whilst on this topic would anyone suggest a generic template or similar to use - maybe even have one, I could then use it to identify a specialist (remembering that I am not that) in this case?
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