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dhally  
#1 Posted : 13 January 2015 07:50:25(UTC)
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dhally

Hi, friend of mine is looking into opening an outlet in a supermarket,does anyone know of health and safety complications around this and if it's allowed, he'll appreciate the help, thankyou
Ian Bell  
#2 Posted : 13 January 2015 18:50:08(UTC)
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Ian Bell

How about a dog escapes and bites a member of the public?
stuie  
#3 Posted : 13 January 2015 20:30:16(UTC)
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stuie

I was going to say food hygiene too - but having been into my local 'orange' supermarket recently there was a shoe repair booth spewing noxious smelling odour into the foyer area - so maybe not?? I really could taste the difference :-)
firesafety101  
#4 Posted : 14 January 2015 00:49:19(UTC)
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firesafety101

If it is a pet food supermarket, no problem. Otherwise walking doggies through a food area - not recommended, unless guide dogs etc.
hilary  
#5 Posted : 14 January 2015 08:14:34(UTC)
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hilary

I pretty much agree on the food hygiene stuff. Generally stores put fresh fruits and veg near the front of the store where the additional shops and outlets are and it's a bit off putting for dogs to be groomed next to all this fresh stuff. I don't have pets but when I did they weren't allowed in the kitchen so I would rather not buy my food with added pet fur/hair free of charge. I would avoid a shop that did this and go elsewhere.
bob youel  
#6 Posted : 14 January 2015 09:20:41(UTC)
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bob youel

Speak to your local EHO's as usually they are very helpful and there should be few problems & a competent H&S person would be able to advise so look for somebody local Interestingly all the fire risk assessment people I worked with recently did not include animals in close proximity to humans and human reaction to animals in a fire situation in their fire risk assessments noting that in a fire situation humans are first and not dogs Dogs can be very sedate in one situation and completely different in a different situation even where there is little difference between the one location etc. and the other location so proper knowledge of dogs is needed Best of luck
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 14 January 2015 11:21:38(UTC)
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firesafety101

Don't dorget arrangements for cleaning up the released doggie fluids when they decide to cock up their leg? Don't they do it at every change of direction and onto anything that may be present, food stuffs, boxes of stuff, bottles of drinks, Bob's mention of fire and animals is a good one, all animals need to be well secured in the first place so that a controlled evacuation can take place, and big dogs need extra management.
boblewis  
#8 Posted : 14 January 2015 12:04:29(UTC)
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boblewis

Why not go for a Mobile Parlour in the car park with Supermarket permission?
peter gotch  
#9 Posted : 14 January 2015 13:04:18(UTC)
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peter gotch

A quick look on google would suggest that a garden centre might be a better proposition.
jay  
#10 Posted : 14 January 2015 14:38:03(UTC)
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jay

Why does your friend want to have this in a supermarket and what was the response from the supermarket?
johnmurray  
#11 Posted : 15 January 2015 06:54:36(UTC)
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johnmurray

Maybe because the amount of dogs tied-up outside s/marts is reaching epidemic point there as well as here?
dhally  
#12 Posted : 16 January 2015 14:17:09(UTC)
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dhally

Thanks for the replies,I've fed them back to him and his partner,and apparently it can be done.Ps. Dont shoot the messenger,cheers
mssy  
#13 Posted : 16 January 2015 20:24:00(UTC)
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mssy

Not being a dog owner, I am not sure whether this is a significant point or not, but when considering the location of a creche in a large shop or shopping centre, it is best practice to place them on the ground floor near the entrance . History has shown in a fire, anxious parent will naturally attempt to retrieve their child from the creche regardless of its location, even if this means lengthening their escape route - eg going upstairs. So placing the creche by the main entrance (like many Ikeas) means that parents will be travelling towards a place of safety when retrieving their precious cargoes! I wonder if this reaction would be the same for pooch owners, as many see their dogs as extensions to their family to the point of quasi children. At the very least, depending on the size of the undertaking and the proposed location of the dog grooming salon, the supermarket may need to consider this in their FRA & emergency plans
firesafety101  
#14 Posted : 16 January 2015 22:59:18(UTC)
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firesafety101

Mssy, you are "barking up the wrong tree" (pun intended) :-) I have been working for a Pet Superstore who install Vets and Groomers in their stores. The Vet and Groomers are always at the rear of the store, there is ample emergency exits and I believe they all have emergency procedures for evacuating animals, especially from the Vets, some of them are on a Mezzanine that is also at the rear of the store. I understand mssy's scenario and can see pet owners who are shopping in the store having left their little doggie in the Groomers heading toward the rear of the store in an emergency situation. As far as locating these facilities is concerned money talks and they would rather have these facilities at the rear because people have to travel through the store past lots of goods for sale, just like the major supermarkets do having the milk, bread, meats etc. toward the rear. Who will win the day between fire safety and sales? I think we know the answer.
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