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mikejman6  
#1 Posted : 14 January 2015 16:48:05(UTC)
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mikejman6

I work at an animal hospital and we had an inceident in our reception area this morning. Customer A arrived with their rottweiler, signed in and went to find a seat in the waiting area. Customer B asked Customer A if they could stroke the rottweiler to which Customer A said yes. As Customer B went to stroke the Rottweiler, it leaped up and gripped Customer B's jumper sleeve and began to tear it violently with its teeth. Thankfully Customer B wasnt injured. Customer B filled out the accident & near miss book, and went on to say we should have "muzzled" the dog. At no stage were we made aware that the animal could be dangerous and so I dont think we should have provided a muzzle. The rottweiler was still under the owners control and Customer B took a risk by stroking the dog. Usually in these circumstances owners with dangerous dogs, bring them to the hospital already "muzzled". If we were to apply Customer B's logic, then all dogs entering the hospital would have to be wearing a muzzle. My interpretation of the law would be that this was an unforeseen circumstance and it would not be reasonably practicable to muzzle all dogs. I am interested to know what everyone else thinks about this? Many thanks Mike
David Bannister  
#2 Posted : 14 January 2015 17:13:17(UTC)
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David Bannister

Mike, If this was an incident at a hospital A&E department, when 1 patient decided to attack another who was perceived to be a threat, should the hospital have been expected to restrain all patients who may possibly turn violent? When I take my cat to the vet there are a mixture of dogs, some muzzled, many not. If I choose to pet a dog and it attacked me because I smell of cat, I would be looking to the dog owner for recompense, not the vet.
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 14 January 2015 19:09:19(UTC)
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firesafety101

Customer B should notify the Police who will probably warn the dog's owner that if it happens again the dog will be confiscated, or if this is the second time they will simply take the dog.
boblewis  
#4 Posted : 14 January 2015 20:22:16(UTC)
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boblewis

The real lesson is NEVER pet another persons animal when in a stress situation ie in a vet surgery, even cats can cause nasty wounds as can parrots. I would put up such an advice notice. You cannot be held liable for decisions of adults who decide to undertake such a risky activity.
NickRoarty  
#5 Posted : 14 January 2015 20:41:08(UTC)
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NickRoarty

Excuse my simplistic view. I don't keep pets, so may be well off the mark. I would assume that animals, in most instances, would be taken to a vet because they are sick. Sick animals would probably act in an unpredictable manner. If a pet owner decides to stroke someone else's sick animal, a Rottweiler at that, they do so at their own risk. Customer B would be told, politely of course, where to shove their complaint. I don't think reporting this as an incident to the Police would be right, it's not the poor dogs fault. How would you like it if some stranger came up to you and started stroking your head when you're ill?
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 14 January 2015 22:58:57(UTC)
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firesafety101

It would depend on male, female etc.
mikejman6  
#7 Posted : 15 January 2015 08:59:33(UTC)
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mikejman6

Thanks for your input everyone. I completely agree. If the dog had been running loose under our care in the waiting area and bit Customer B then I would expect to be held liable, but this wasnt the case. The most common accidents that occurs at the practice are slips and trips, very rarely do we have incidents of this kind and if we do, it is usually the vets themselves that are bitten. Like you say, they are dealing with distressed animals that are out of their comfort zone.
jodieclark1510  
#8 Posted : 15 January 2015 09:00:36(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

I think its foreseeable that an animal may get agitated and potentially attack, but you are not the dog's owner- they gave permission for the person to come into the dogs space, and depending what the dog is like and the animal the attacked had may have escalated the situation (Some dogs just don't get on with other animals,people etc).
Mick Noonan  
#9 Posted : 15 January 2015 11:33:22(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

Have to say I don't agree with the above. I believe that there is a foreseeable risk and, judging by your post alone, you don't have any assessment done and no policy or procedure in place. My argument is that you should have. The breed of dog in question is recognised as dangerous, I'm no expert but isn't there a list of dog breeds and specific legislation attached to them? Your own post backs up the point I'm making regarding the hazards associated with dogs and indeed a number of other animals too. Consider, would you have a young child sit next to a dog in a vets waiting room? Would an average person not weigh up the risk and choose a different seat? Sure, there is a large onus on the individual who choose to pet the dog but I’m claiming that the risk was foreseeable. I like dogs and cats etc and I don’t think anyone has to resort to knee jerk, overkill, solutions. Just risk assess and see where reason leads you. Mick
mikejman6  
#10 Posted : 15 January 2015 12:11:08(UTC)
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mikejman6

Thanks for the comment. We do of course have risk assessments in place for animal handling and relevant training and equipment for such occurences. We rely on the owner to inform us if we may be at risk and that is one of the questions asked prior to consulting. As a referral centre, we also require the first opinion vet to add comments to the patients files and there was no mention. The procedure is that the "vicious" animal is muzzled if practicable by the owner and is kept within the vehicle, outside the building until trained personnel use the relevant means & equipment to control the animal. The victim asked if he could stroke the dog. The owner said it was safe to do so and in the victims own words "was fine at first and then went for them". This could easily have happened in the street. Any breed of dog can be potentially dangerous, not just rottweilers. Maybe we could put a sign up advising clients not to stroke other dogs, but like i say, we rely on information from the owners and first opinion practices. If we are told the dog is fine, then we cant ignore that and muzzle it as this presents its own risks. The victim like you said should also apply common sense.
ianjones  
#11 Posted : 16 January 2015 10:04:46(UTC)
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ianjones

i did the HS for a schol where they did a bring our pet to school day a small dog bit another child the parents sued the school the judge ruled in favour of the school saying that the owners of the dog should not have sent it in if they knew there was a chance of an incident the pet was under the owners care the school carried out its responsiblity by having a comprehensive risk assesssment in place
firesafety101  
#12 Posted : 16 January 2015 10:44:21(UTC)
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firesafety101

I have three dogs, all well behaved except for one little Yorkshire Terrorist who,can be a nasty piece of work. When I take my dogs to the Vet I look to see what is already in the waiting area and then sit with my dog away from anything else. If I can. If not I keep tight control of the dog. When someone walks past I keep a tight grip on the lead and keep the dog close to me. Never had any problems. The way I see it that's the way all pet owners should behave.
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