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Lojikglos  
#1 Posted : 22 January 2015 13:32:26(UTC)
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Lojikglos

Surprise . . . Me Again trying to nail down the Accident Incident Frequency Rates for this new company I have started with. I remember the formula as being No. Of accidents (divided by No.) Of Incidents x 100,000 which is then divided by the number of hours worked. I need to split this for M+E (nature of the work this company does which is easy enough) but have to then further break it down for industry specific (rail) Could someone remind me please if you would include Near Miss reports under the incident banner within the calculation. Or is it a case that accidents refers to Riddor and Incidents non Riddor such as anything that is recorded in the accident book but not Riddor reportable Thanks in advance Nearly the weekend lol L
Lojikglos  
#2 Posted : 22 January 2015 13:49:59(UTC)
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Lojikglos

Sorry Forgot to add would subbies fall under No. of hours worked as well? L
chris42  
#3 Posted : 22 January 2015 15:42:49(UTC)
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chris42

AFR = (Accidents * 100,000)/total hours worked. if you want RIDDOR AFR only use RIDDOR number of accidents and formula is the same. Incident rate is number of incidents * 100 then this time divided by number of people. There are others but I think this is what you are trying to calculate. They are two different numbers, I'm not aware of merging the two. Chris
Lojikglos  
#4 Posted : 23 January 2015 08:51:26(UTC)
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Lojikglos

Nice one Chris Cheers
Animax01  
#5 Posted : 23 January 2015 09:29:24(UTC)
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Animax01

Sorry to be a stickler for detail, but the AIR is Hours *1000... I've just revised this for my Diploma exam so it was fresh in my mind. The Ill health prevalence rate is ill health * 100. Have fun!!
achrn  
#6 Posted : 23 January 2015 10:20:36(UTC)
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achrn

Animax01 wrote:
Sorry to be a stickler for detail, but the AIR is Hours *1000... I've just revised this for my Diploma exam so it was fresh in my mind. The Ill health prevalence rate is ill health * 100.
The rate is just per unit time. The unit of time you choose is up to you - there's no statutory requirement to report it one particular way, so you can use per million hours, or per hour, or per worker year, or anything you like really.
chris42  
#7 Posted : 23 January 2015 10:31:05(UTC)
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chris42

mmmmm I have always used 100 for this, as I was once told it is just a factor to make the number neither too large or too small. In fact if I was to change my internal monitor of this I would get 0.xxxx. I was also told that the hundred was to represent the per hundred workers idea which more employers could get their minds around than the 1,000 workers. But hey I was also told that the 100,000 was because that was approx the number of hours worked in a lifetime ie 50 years x 50 weeks per year x 40 hours per week. Would be interesting to see if anyone knows of anything official (HSE etc) on this or do most people use 1,000 or 100 etc. The other thing I was also told was whatever you use you should qualify it when you present your info ( try doing that on some pre qual forms !) Chris
imwaldra  
#8 Posted : 23 January 2015 10:46:09(UTC)
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imwaldra

IOSH recommends 'per 100 people per year', as this is typically a small number but without too many decimal points! But, more importantly, we use such data to communicate performance to non-specialists - and most of them can visualise 100 people, whereas 100,000 (typical HSE data) is too theoretical. Also, very few organisations in today's world actually count worked hours, but they usually do know how many people work for them, including contactors where appropriate. Taking a working year to be 2000 hours (a bit high, but a nice round figure), the IOSH recommendation is also per 200,000 hours, which is how US data is calculated - so you can compare your performance with others that way. UK-based organisations who still calculate using worked hours typically use 100,000 - so you have to be careful with comparisons.
Animax01  
#9 Posted : 23 January 2015 15:37:47(UTC)
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Animax01

So, as is with a lot of prescribed H&S, use your common sense. I fully get that, makes sense really. I was only going by what was in the RRC revision text book. I hope they are right because the question came up in the exam...
jay  
#10 Posted : 23 January 2015 15:45:36(UTC)
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jay

ACCIDENT RATES There are various accident rates used to compare accident statistics. The important factor is to ensure that you use the same multiplying factor as used in the data you are comparing. There is no fixed or standard multiplication factor (MF). The choice can be influenced by either the MF used in the data you are comparing or for the purpose trend analysis/projections, the rates have manageable “numbers”, i.e. not having too many zeros or decimal places! INCIDENT RATE= TOTAL NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS X 1000/ NUMBER OF PERSONS EMPLOYED ( i.e. accidents per 1000 employees ) Definition:- number of accidents per 1000 employees A factor of 100 000 is used by HSE for the “AIR” i.e. number of accidents per 100 000 employees ) Definition:- number of accidents per 100 000 employees FREQUENCY RATE = TOTAL NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS X 1 000 000/ TOTAL NUMBER OF MAN HOURS WORKED (i.e. number of accidents per 1 000 000 hours worked) Definition:- number of accidents per 1 000 000 hours worked (Note:- Some tend to use a multiplication factor of 2 000 000 as this figure is the hours worked in a year by 1000 employees assuming they work 40 hours per week for 50 weeks in a year or others use MF of 200 000 as this figure iss the hours worked in a year by 1000 employees assuming they work 40 hours per week for 50 weeks in a year ) SEVERITY RATE= TOTAL NUMBER OF DAYS LOST X 1000/ TOTAL NUMBER OF MAN HOURS WORKED (i.e. average number of days lost per 1000 hours worked) Definition:- average number of days lost per 1000 hours worked MEAN DURATION RATE = TOTAL NUMBER OF DAYS LOST/ TOTAL NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS (i.e. average number of days lost per accident) Definition:- average number of days lost per accident DURATION RATE= NUMBER OF MAN HOURS WORKED/ TOTAL NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS (i.e. average number of man hours between accidents) Definition:- average number of man hours between accidents
Animax01  
#11 Posted : 24 January 2015 13:29:18(UTC)
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Animax01

I wish I had given that description on Tuesday Jay!!
toe  
#12 Posted : 24 January 2015 13:46:58(UTC)
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toe

Just going slightly of topic here but hopefully relevant - Accident rates were described in the old HSG65 "Successful Health and Safety Management" in which we could have pointed to answer the question, however, I think that the new version doesn't have it in. POPIMAR all the was for me. I hope I haven't hijacked this thread and the discussions go on a different strand than the OP. http://www.google.co.uk/...mp;bvm=bv.84349003,d.d24 I cant believe I found the old version, see link above and Appendix 6.
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