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ashleywillson  
#1 Posted : 12 February 2015 13:55:04(UTC)
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ashleywillson

Hi all I have been asked by a client to produce a risk assessment for working in soil contaminated with soluable sulphates. Can anyone direct to me somewhere which would give me some guidance on associated hazards please? This is the first time I have come across this so any help would be appreciated!!
ashleywillson  
#2 Posted : 12 February 2015 13:56:39(UTC)
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ashleywillson

Just realised my spelling is way way off.... Try soluble Sulfates! Doh!
Alfasev  
#3 Posted : 12 February 2015 14:11:05(UTC)
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Alfasev

Soluble sulphates are a risk to concrete and not particularly to health. PPE and normal hygiene should be enough. It causes concrete cancer and can in extreme cases drastically affect its strength. Reinforced concrete is particularly at risk it not protected. Soluble sulphates are basically salts
ashleywillson  
#4 Posted : 12 February 2015 14:14:34(UTC)
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ashleywillson

Thanks for that. So could the hazards to health may be things like: -Nausea / sickness -irritation to eyes -irritation to respiratory systems The concrete design has taken this into account from the soil report, so I am not worried about that. I have never had to use this to put a risk assessment together for health though...
Alfasev  
#5 Posted : 12 February 2015 15:04:18(UTC)
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Alfasev

There are soluble sulphates in drinking water. Your site investigation should give you the concentrate of soluble sulphates/sulphates present and guide you on the risk to health. If they are in such a high concentration that they pose a health risk then ground remediation should be recommended in the site investigation report. I have never had a health issue with soluble sulphates.
ashleywillson  
#6 Posted : 12 February 2015 15:11:15(UTC)
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ashleywillson

Alfasev - thanks for your help with this so far. What would be considered an unsafe level (in terms of mg/l)? The highest I have at the moment for this site is 880mg/l.
achrn  
#7 Posted : 12 February 2015 15:20:53(UTC)
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achrn

ashleywillson wrote:
Thanks for that. So could the hazards to health may be things like: -Nausea / sickness -irritation to eyes -irritation to respiratory systems The concrete design has taken this into account from the soil report, so I am not worried about that. I have never had to use this to put a risk assessment together for health though...
There's soluble sulphate in the water that comes out of your tap (my water company claims the allowable limit is 250 mg/l, which would be categorised as moderate exposure for concrete if it occurred in the ground). Seawater contains about 2700 mg/l, according to http://www.who.int/water...wq/chemicals/sulfate.pdf . That's a severe exposure for concrete, but would you expect a risk assessment to worry about nausea and irritation to respiratory systems for anyone that goes paddling in the sea? That same document thinks that if you drink nothing but water with sulphate concentrations at a 1000mg/litre level, you'll experience a slight laxative effect, but apparently no other ill effects. So I guess that if your site has sulphates above that level you should advise the operatives not to drink exclusively from the puddles around the site. I don't recall any concerns about risk to health of workers from the sulphates in ground water even where there have been concerns about the concrete.
ashleywillson  
#8 Posted : 12 February 2015 15:27:00(UTC)
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ashleywillson

Thanks for that. I have found the 250mg/l "safe" level. I also have some boundaries from studies: Diarrhea caused by 630mg/l - 1150mg/l Cathersis caused by 600mg/l (seems a bit farfetched this one...) Laxative effect caused by 500mg/l - 1000mg/l I'll use this to pull a risk assessment together for this just to keep the client happy.... Thanks for your help, both of you!
A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 12 February 2015 16:54:24(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

ashleywillson wrote:
Thanks for that. I have found the 250mg/l "safe" level. I also have some boundaries from studies: Diarrhea caused by 630mg/l - 1150mg/l Cathersis caused by 600mg/l (seems a bit farfetched this one...) Laxative effect caused by 500mg/l - 1000mg/l I'll use this to pull a risk assessment together for this just to keep the client happy.... Thanks for your help, both of you!
A Kurdziel  
#10 Posted : 12 February 2015 16:59:48(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

ashleywillson wrote:
Thanks for that. I have found the 250mg/l "safe" level. I also have some boundaries from studies: Diarrhea caused by 630mg/l - 1150mg/l Cathersis caused by 600mg/l (seems a bit farfetched this one...) Laxative effect caused by 500mg/l - 1000mg/l I'll use this to pull a risk assessment together for this just to keep the client happy.... Thanks for your help, both of you!
What do you mean by safe levels? The issue with salts like sulphate is not the anion (sulphate bit) but the cations ie the metal it is bonded to. Hugh levels of lead or cadmium sulphate are very serious high levels of calcium sulphate are called plasterboard. When looking at exposure levels you need to distinguish between the various routes of entry into he body, ingestion, absorption etc. You cannot simply say that a set number is a safe level.
ashleywillson  
#11 Posted : 13 February 2015 07:44:15(UTC)
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ashleywillson

Thanks for the input. The soil report simply says soluble sulphates in soil (Sulphate Aqueous Extract as SO4). It doesn't distinguish any cations (new work for the day!). This is where I have been having difficulty. From everything I have researched, the WHO (World Health Organisation) - and American equivalents interestingly... - all say that sulphates should not exceed 250mg/l. Studies show that exceeding these limits can cause the 3 things listed in post #8. To be honest, this contractor has gone way way over the top with the paperwork he wants, I am happy to put a risk assessment together for this, but will point out to him the very low levels associated to this activity since it only causes the above mentioned if consumed in water... He also wanted a method statement for it, but I'm drawing the line there.... Thanks again for the input.
Jane Blunt  
#12 Posted : 13 February 2015 07:52:18(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Like A Kurdziel, I am concerned about the identity of the positive ion here. Having got over the problem of the sulphate ion, I think you need to find out a bit more here. Most sulphates are soluble (see this page for useful information http://www.ausetute.com.au/solrules.html Can you find out something about the history of the site, so that you can get some idea of what the cation(s) might be?
achrn  
#13 Posted : 13 February 2015 08:23:49(UTC)
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achrn

Jane Blunt wrote:
Can you find out something about the history of the site, so that you can get some idea of what the cation(s) might be?
I'm pretty sure all water everywhere outside a lab or RO plant has detectable levels of sulphate ions (including, as noted, the drinking water coming out of the tap). I think the first step is to determine what the level is - if it's (say) 20 mg/l that's less than my tap water and you can probably find better things to invest effort in. I think taking the approach that if there's a safe level of something there's likely to be a dangerous level of something else unreported will drive you mad. That reasoning would suggest that all water everywhere (except the RO plant) is likely to kill you.
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