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What is the requirement of the above? is a gauge required for a Oxygen bottles being used with acetylene/propane and if so what is the reason?
Regards.
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Because you would not want to use the gases at the pressure they are in the bottles !!!!
Therefore they need to be regulated, there will be two gauges on each regulator one for bottle pressure and one reading the pressure coming out.
You should not be using these things unless trained to do so. During training all will be explained. Do not put grease or oil on the threads of the regulators !!!!, just in case you have been playing.
If you have found a way to use this equipment without a regulator - stop now.
Chris
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Quite. Being on the wrong side of a few thousand pounds-per-square-inch of oxygen will give you an eventful life, if a short one.
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Gauges are not regulators usually there are both items on a gas bottle but not always. We need to establish what the OP means before leaping to conclusions
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with all due respect I advise that U have a face to face chat with a H&S bod in your area that is competent in this area [attend the IOSH member meetings as we are a helpful bunch] noting that high pressure etc. gas bottles 'take no prisoners'
In my ~50 years of experience as far as I can remember I have never found a builder or similar [and garages were also very poor] who has any real understanding of this area but I have caught such types bringing bottles on to site and have even caught such types trying to put right hand fittings onto left hand threads and stuffing all kinds of things around damaged threads and trying to get such threads to fit!
Best of luck
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Chris42 wrote:Because you would not want to use the gases at the pressure they are in the bottles !!!!
He didn't ask why you use a regulator, he asked why there are gauges fitted. There are plenty of regulators in existence that don't have gauges (though I'm not sure I've seen one for oxygen, admittedly).
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The oxygen gauge is used to set the correct pressure for welding and cutting and to determine the pressure in the bottle. Without them you are guessing.
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Refer to HSE Guidance, , Use of Compressed Gases for Welding, flame cutting and allied processes HSG139, page 15 http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/hsg139.pdfPressure regulators and pressure gauges Gauges Para 33 Pressure readings are useful to a gas welder in order to control the process and check the availability of gas supply; pressure gauges may be fitted for these purposes to cylinders and to distribution pipework and manifold supply installations. Gauges are often fitted to pressure regulators – on the upstream side to give an indication of cylinder supply pressure (a ‘contents’ gauge), and on the low pressure side to indicate outlet pressure. Some adjustable regulators have no provision for gauges but have an indication of outlet pressure marked on the regulator housing, and some deliver gas at a fixed outlet pressure (eg for LPG). Para 34 Pressure gauges complying with British Standard BS EN 56227, ISO 517128 are preferred. Alternatively, gauges complying with BS EN 83729 may be acceptable. These standards incorporate safety features including safe venting if the Bourdon tube fails and releases gas. There will be more detailed guidance from BCGA:- CP7:- The safe use of oxy-fuel gas equipment (individual portable or mobile cylinder supply). Revision 7: 2014 (Minimum safety standards for the use, inspection and maintenance of oxy-fuel gas welding, cutting and heating equipment incorporating individual portable or mobile cylinder gas supplies)
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I suppose you could "get by" without gauges on oxy and propane. Given the instability of acetylene at pressures in excess of 15psi I consider use of a regulator allowing pressures in excess of that, without a pressure gauge, to be stupid at the least.
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Buy a 2stage regulator that is specifically for oxygen. It will have better "pressure change" characteristics over the life of the cylinders that you use it on, and will require less adjustment.
Use it for 5 years only, as that is the recommended life of a clean functioning regulator. Do not repair it if it ends up damaged, as you are taking on responsibilities of the manufacturer - there are no standards for repairing regulators, just for making them. Just chuck it when it's done. This includes not putting any PTFE tape, grease, oil or any other hydrocarbon on a regulator bullnose or on the gauges themselves (or anywhere else on the regulator for that matter - just a good habit). This includes protective barrier creams -wash your hands first, change the regulator onto a new bottle, then apply more barrier cream.
If nothing else, having a regulator with 2 pressure gauges will tell you when your oxygen cylinder is done and requires changing, but wil also allow (as has been mentioned in previous posts) you to adjust the oxygen pressure for the work to be done, with some accuracy.
Pretty sure it does not need saying, but the absolute safest way to work with any gases is to only use equipment (including regulators, hoses, flashback arresters, etc) that is designed for use with that specific gas. You can get some pretty nasty surprises if you don't - for example the chap who repaired a rubber hose for acetylene by inserting a copper tube and, when it came to throwing it away into a skip, blew the skip up.
PM me if you want trainer recommended.
HTH Andrew
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You MUST use a regulator with both Oxygen & Acetylene cylinders for welding and allied processes. However, cylinder contents gauges are not essential, "pop up" indicators, which are not so accurate are available on units which make them more robust. Also graduated scales on the regulator bonnet are available on these devices which give you outlet pressure, thus, removing the need for an outlet pressure gauge. Yes a 2 stage 2 gauge is the "Rolls Royce", and is essential for some processes. With others the pop up/scaled bonnet type are more than adequate. The longer standing and "reputable" welding equipment manufacturers offer both types.
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Well you learn something new every day. I was not aware that you could still get gaugeless regulators, hence my concern in the post. I thought they had effectively been phased out as the ones with gauges are quite cheap and as noted above only have a life of around 5 years. I also have never seen one despite being in industry for over 30 years. Indeed even trying to search on the Internet took quite a bit of effort to find reference to someone offering one, but I did in the end.
I thought I had answered the question "what is the reason" with my answer "one for bottle pressure and one reading the pressure coming out." I didn't think I needed to go further and explain why knowing the bottle pressure / contents and working pressure were important. I thought it would have been self evident. You would not want to go running out of gas half way through some work or not setting your working pressure and being able to see at a glance if that pressure was dropping (With issues that come with that).
So I apologise Fitzy3 for my concern and tone as it was based on the above belief and thought that no gauges therefore meant no regulator.
I stand corrected
Chris
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