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Lojikglos  
#41 Posted : 20 February 2015 17:00:37(UTC)
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Lojikglos

shame there isnt a like button function on this forum....
Victor Meldrew  
#42 Posted : 20 February 2015 21:40:50(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

JohnMurray wrote:
Anyway, I'll only be on here for another few months, then it's off to [retirement] pastures new.


Can't fault you John, thoroughly recommend it ;-)
MikeKelly  
#43 Posted : 21 February 2015 17:01:58(UTC)
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MikeKelly

This subject turned out to be interesting. Perhaps I shouldn't have referred to the Guardian.
Sorry if it was a subject which had been discussed earlier-although I did try the search function where it didn't register.
I'm still of the opinion that real names should be used except for those issues involving whistle blowers and those where employees/employers require a degree of protection and similar situations as raised by some posts. As we are generally professional OHS personnel and members of IOSH it seems appropriate for real names to be the best way to communicate by respecting each others views.
There seems to be about 3 or 4 to 1 against the use of real names although those in favour are unsurprisingly those who use pseudonyms and aliases, etc. I'm not sure how many of the 800 or so hits would be in favour
And it should be pointed out that in the last few months there have been a number of occasions where I remember posters being made to feel so small or upset by harsh comments, unnecessarily.
I do support strongly the legal right to free speech, [i e Charlie Hebdo/cartoons/etc] but respect for others should be mandatory on these discussion forums and I do believe using real names is best.

And, walker, I'm unsure what your comment about 10 contributions in 8 months is supposed to mean? It's certainly not fear of commenting using my own name
I'm also retiring to pastures new too, in la belle France.
PS I have to agree that the protection given to whistle blowers in the UK is dreadfully inadequate.
In the US, some 20-25% of fines, etc. levied as a penalty for criminal behaviour of companies or organisations who have been 'dobbed in' to the authorities are paid to the whistle blower, good, eh?
johnmurray  
#44 Posted : 21 February 2015 18:15:20(UTC)
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johnmurray

There is, effectively, no protection for "whistleblowers", and very little for anyone raising H&S concerns within the workplace.
Victimisation is common, losing employment is common. Getting any legal remedy to any of the previous is expensive if you do not possess insurance/union-membership (and even that is not as hot as they would like you to believe).
I have *no* doubt that anyone raising safety concerns, on here, who is identified by their employer, would face considerable problems in their employment.
Laws, if any, are only as good as their enforcement. H&S enforcement is piecemeal at best, at worst non-existent.
And as Risks dropped through the electronic mailbox, I note: http://www.tuc.org.uk/wo...ruary-2015#_Toc412119563 (Safety whistleblower reinstated) (after a strike....bet he's gone in a few months....)
Yep. I have got to consider that calls for real-names is another employer-backed initiative!!
Now...about IOSH fast becoming a government ............ Don't want to get another ban do I ?
Martin Mulholland  
#45 Posted : 23 February 2015 12:45:43(UTC)
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Martin Mulholland

ashleywillson wrote:
For what it is worth....

I don't see any reason why this could ever be a problem. IOSH knows who the people are so any cases of harassment or trolling are easily dealt with. A proactive and very much alive team of mods patrols the forums (we see them shut posts down, move posts etc all the time!).

If we cant be grown up enough to understand that people have a right to privacy and we cant be grown up enough to accept that not everyone wants to have their names plastered on the www for all and sundry to see, then how in gods name can we be grown up to put measures in place to save peoples lives as H&S professionals.

Also, I really think some people need to think about the pointed comments that they make towards other users of this forum. If someone needs help they should feel comfortable enough to ask. At least they have the guts to ask it. Perhaps a more helpful and constructive post on the right topic would enhance their understanding, rather than shooting them down on another post without offering an iota of help...Alistair ....


Good summary Ashley
Nikki-Napo  
#46 Posted : 23 February 2015 13:32:32(UTC)
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Nikki-Napo

Although I post using an alias, my views are still my own, I don't pretend to be someone I'm not. I abide by the rules set down by IOSH, and post according to my level of experience, and understanding. I treat others with respect, and expect the same in return. If someone has a difference of opinion, that's fine too. We can't and won't always agree.
I'd prefer to keep posting using my alias as I don't fancy my real name being splashed all over the internet, if it's all the same to the poster!
Posting on other forums (different interests) I also post using an alias, and long may aliases be allowed.
walker  
#47 Posted : 23 February 2015 14:19:31(UTC)
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walker

Victor Meldrew wrote:
JohnMurray wrote:
Anyway, I'll only be on here for another few months, then it's off to [retirement] pastures new.


Can't fault you John, thoroughly recommend it ;-)


Go on !
Shove it down our throats why dontcha?
;-))
MikeKelly  
#48 Posted : 23 February 2015 15:52:59(UTC)
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MikeKelly

Hi John, Murray that is.
You could not be more wrong about this being an employer led wheeze via me. It's merely as I explained days ago raising this post.
You will note that I also think that protection for whistle blowing is dire which hardly puts me in the Bosses camp. The very last place I would want to be. Jumping to conclusions.......eh?
If anyone wants to air their workplace grievances without them getting back to the employer they should contact Public Concern at Work for their confidential assistance/guidance.
Interestingly I haven't noticed posting under real names holding many such posters back in telling how it is. I know many of the real names but other apparently real ones may also be aliases, of course.
I suppose, as a summary, those who post and get 'kicked off', for whichever failing it might be, and then change their posting name [multiple times?] would be better employed changing their unacceptable behaviour
Regards to all, none of this stuff is personal
Mike
David Bannister  
#49 Posted : 23 February 2015 16:48:23(UTC)
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David Bannister

MikeKelly wrote:

I suppose, as a summary, those who post and get 'kicked off', for whichever failing it might be, and then change their posting name [multiple times?] would be better employed changing their unacceptable behaviour
Regards to all, none of this stuff is personal
Mike


Great comment which should be taken to heart by some posters, yet it won't! It's hard to change ingrained rudeness.
Victor Meldrew  
#50 Posted : 23 February 2015 20:43:28(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

walker wrote:
Victor Meldrew wrote:
JohnMurray wrote:
Anyway, I'll only be on here for another few months, then it's off to [retirement] pastures new.


Can't fault you John, thoroughly recommend it ;-)


Go on !
Shove it down our throats why dontcha?
;-))


Sorry mate - tough I know....... don't know how I managed to get owt done before. Tomorrow it's the three 'G' s - Gym, Golf & Grandkids........ followed by a couple of Guinesses I suppose, take it easy ;-)
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