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Bakker1877  
#1 Posted : 23 February 2015 14:51:28(UTC)
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Bakker1877

I would like opinions please on the following scenario.

Do you think it a reasonable request for a supermarket to supply safety footwear to its employees who wheel out large wheeled metal cages containing produce for the shelves? There have already been instances of toes/feet being driven over.
PIKEMAN  
#2 Posted : 23 February 2015 14:53:08(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

Ask to see the risk assessment. If done competently it would probably deal with this issue.
DHM  
#3 Posted : 23 February 2015 14:54:49(UTC)
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DHM

Not unreasonable at all, this is best practice in many similar situations i.e. warehouses, car parks, and loading bays etc. Do you know what the risk assessment states about wearing safety footwear though?
Colossians 1:14  
#4 Posted : 23 February 2015 14:56:28(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

Bakker1877 wrote:
I would like opinions please on the following scenario.

Do you think it a reasonable request for a supermarket to supply safety footwear to its employees who wheel out large wheeled metal cages containing produce for the shelves? There have already been instances of toes/feet being driven over.


I think you may have answered your own question......you have accident data that highlights a risk IMHO
achrn  
#5 Posted : 23 February 2015 14:58:13(UTC)
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achrn

Bakker1877 wrote:
There have already been instances of toes/feet being driven over.


Depends.
Is rolling a cage over the toes likely to result in injury?
How many of the instances that have happened resulted in injury?

It may be that it's reasonably foreseeable for a trolley to go over toes, but ordinary shoes are sufficient to protect from injury. In that case, the RA will presumably not mandate safety shoes, but will prohibit flipflops etc.
Bakker1877  
#6 Posted : 23 February 2015 15:08:55(UTC)
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Bakker1877


Thanks all, I will follow up on accident reports and risk assessments.

As most of the employees doing this task are students there may be an element of under reporting and fear of "causing a fuss".

However there should be a higher "duty of care" to be applied to young persons, is that not so?
Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 23 February 2015 21:11:12(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Depends on whether the students are 6th form or University (i.e. under 18 = young person or over)? Regardless of age duty extends to all employees.

Given that supermarkets give low hours and low wages to keep employees from any NI Contributions it is highly likely that considerations such as PPE would also be low on their agenda. The distribution hubs that load these cages generally employee temporary staff via agencies who are required to provide their own PPE in the form of boots and Hi-Vis.

Indeed looking around this evening deciding what was for dinner a number of store staff moving cages had those well know safety footwear brands of Nike, Adidas and Puma.
Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 23 February 2015 21:11:12(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Depends on whether the students are 6th form or University (i.e. under 18 = young person or over)? Regardless of age duty extends to all employees.

Given that supermarkets give low hours and low wages to keep employees from any NI Contributions it is highly likely that considerations such as PPE would also be low on their agenda. The distribution hubs that load these cages generally employee temporary staff via agencies who are required to provide their own PPE in the form of boots and Hi-Vis.

Indeed looking around this evening deciding what was for dinner a number of store staff moving cages had those well know safety footwear brands of Nike, Adidas and Puma.
johnanthonyscott  
#9 Posted : 18 March 2015 21:25:51(UTC)
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johnanthonyscott

The problem we have here is some organisations such as supermarkets fail to assess the risks correctly and introduce the appropriate control measures. If a worker suffers an injury as a result of moving these cages it will cost more than a pair of safety shoes long term. There can be a considerable weight in one of those cages and I'm sure it could lead to a nasty injury, We have cages at work to move the product from one area to another and safety boots with ankle support must be worn.

As for agency staff having to supply their own p.p.e. this is only the case if a person is genuinely self employed. e.g. arranges their own tax and national insurance contributions and not bogus self employed we here about nowerdays.
HSSnail  
#10 Posted : 19 March 2015 08:33:34(UTC)
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HSSnail

PPE should be the last resort. Why are people running over feet? Have worked in and with the retail trade fro over 30 years, done my fare share of shelf stacking in that time and never saw this as a big issue. However with extended opening hours, in particular 24 hour opening have noted an increase in shelf stacking practices that would not have been accepted 20 years ago with role cages etc being brought out onto shop floor at busy times - that progress for you. I would do an analysis of the incidents and look for the underlying causes before handing out safety boots on a shop floor in a supermarket.
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