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meady  
#1 Posted : 03 March 2015 13:11:35(UTC)
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meady

Hi I work for a manufacturer of static homes and holiday lodges. We had a HSE inspection yesterday and the inspector questioned our working at height policy. The issues he had were.... 1. In the roofing area (the roofs are constructed on the floor and then craned into position later) the operative has to walk up the structure to nail the timbers and trusses etc. The guy is a maximum of 4-5ft off of the ground on a sloping roof. The inspector questioned if the operative needs a fall arrest harness or other similar control in case of a fall from the structure. Space is an issue in the area and overhead cranes means that any harness cannot be attached to the ceiling of the factory. Does anyone have any other ideas to prevent a fall from this height? 2. In the flooring area (floors are fitted to a chassis before any walls are in place) the whole unit has unprotected edges when the floors are being fitted. The unit would be approx. 3ft max off the floor. The unit needs to be accessible to 2/3 operatives but again the inspector has asked for us to review our procedures and put in an additional control. I'm thinking that in the flooring area we can simply use some kind of fencing/netting to place around the unit (like a netball net) but I am open to any ideas that anyone has. After a meeting today most of the conventional methods have been rejected so I am looking for any other ways to control the risk. The inspector threw in a curve ball by saying that perhaps we do not need to actually implement any changes but I am wary to do nothing just in case there was an accident and the company had not acted on his concerns. The rest of the inspection went well though which was a relief!!! Thanks Dave
Colossians 1:14  
#2 Posted : 03 March 2015 13:16:01(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

meady wrote:
Hi I work for a manufacturer of static homes and holiday lodges. We had a HSE inspection yesterday and the inspector questioned our working at height policy. The issues he had were.... 1. In the roofing area (the roofs are constructed on the floor and then craned into position later) the operative has to walk up the structure to nail the timbers and trusses etc. The guy is a maximum of 4-5ft off of the ground on a sloping roof. The inspector questioned if the operative needs a fall arrest harness or other similar control in case of a fall from the structure. Space is an issue in the area and overhead cranes means that any harness cannot be attached to the ceiling of the factory. Does anyone have any other ideas to prevent a fall from this height? 2. In the flooring area (floors are fitted to a chassis before any walls are in place) the whole unit has unprotected edges when the floors are being fitted. The unit would be approx. 3ft max off the floor. The unit needs to be accessible to 2/3 operatives but again the inspector has asked for us to review our procedures and put in an additional control. I'm thinking that in the flooring area we can simply use some kind of fencing/netting to place around the unit (like a netball net) but I am open to any ideas that anyone has. After a meeting today most of the conventional methods have been rejected so I am looking for any other ways to control the risk. The inspector threw in a curve ball by saying that perhaps we do not need to actually implement any changes but I am wary to do nothing just in case there was an accident and the company had not acted on his concerns. The rest of the inspection went well though which was a relief!!! Thanks Dave
Ask him what he wants you to do. It sounds like he doesn't know what he wants you to do!
Lojikglos  
#3 Posted : 03 March 2015 13:27:28(UTC)
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Lojikglos

ayup So is the guys walking up the sloping roof to nail the structure before the crane activity? Would crass matts be an option? could get expensive though? Crash matts could work on the flooring task? Shame we cant add images on this site to get a better grasp of the dilemma
frankc  
#4 Posted : 03 March 2015 13:41:25(UTC)
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frankc

These could work for both options. http://s147.photobucket....uck-safety-mats.jpg.html
firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 03 March 2015 13:46:45(UTC)
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firesafety101

I was thinking along the same lines Frank. Collosians, HSE Inspectors shy away from making recommendations in case theynget it wrong.
peter gotch  
#6 Posted : 03 March 2015 13:48:47(UTC)
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peter gotch

Depends on how much space you've got to consider whether "soft landing systems" - air bags or bean bags are reasonably practicable. But remember that over 60% of reported (possibly even higher % for the unreported "reportables") major injury (now specified injury) accidents arising from falls from height are falls of less than 2m.
Colossians 1:14  
#7 Posted : 03 March 2015 13:52:23(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

FireSafety101 wrote:
I was thinking along the same lines Frank. Collosians, HSE Inspectors shy away from making recommendations in case theynget it wrong.
Very true
kenty  
#8 Posted : 03 March 2015 13:58:35(UTC)
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kenty

Not quite how i would have phrased it FS101. A few images would really help with this one, but based on the OP's description, is it possible to access the roof timbers from inside the roof/structure?
frankc  
#9 Posted : 03 March 2015 14:59:35(UTC)
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frankc

FireSafety101 wrote:
I was thinking along the same lines Frank.
They offer Collective Fall Protection for more than one person so would keep the HSE happy. Plus, the OP did say the HSE had asked him them to 'Review their procedures' and 'PUT IN AN ADDITIONAL CONTROL'
FireSafety101 wrote:
Collosians, HSE Inspectors shy away from making recommendations in case they get it wrong.
Quite agree. Good at telling you how not to do it...
Steve e ashton  
#10 Posted : 03 March 2015 17:39:08(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

wait for it.... wait for it.... The FFI Invoice will probably be dropping through the letter box any time soon. HSE don't need to tell you what to do (or how to comply) with a Fee for Intervention... they just have to identify a material breach.... How long were they on site for? And - from a more helpful perspective - what angle are the trusses and just how likely is it someone would slip and fall - and how far? The mobile homes I have seen seem to have 'steep' or 'not steep' roofs - I would suggest if you are working at or near ground level on a 10-15 degree roof (?Does that make sense?)- then fall arrest should probably not be needed (and you did say they were only four-five feet 'off the floor?.... If you're working on a 45 degree roof at fifteen feet up the slope - then crash mats might be a good idea? Or something akin to a bespoke roof ladder that can be hooked over the ridge once the frame is in place? (But it would need to be designed to avoid getting in the way of the work needed...) Or an interior dummy frame that makes the fall height negligible (like a false floor the same angle as the roof???)
PHIL SUPRA  
#11 Posted : 03 March 2015 21:43:22(UTC)
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PHIL SUPRA

we use a rope fall restraint system - (not fall arrest) in a similar area with a beam crane in the way. It works but could be more trouble than it's worth here in your situation. How about portable (Wheeled) staging that can be positioned adjacent to the roof, providing an adjacent level platform removing any possibility of fall from height, as you would only fall from the roof onto the staging?
SHV  
#12 Posted : 04 March 2015 04:21:29(UTC)
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SHV

Meady The inspector did not advise because he was not sure about the solution...i agree with crash mat around the unit as it will reduce the severity..my suggestion is set up a meeting with your workers and put all ideas on the table and see the practicability and choose the best one. SHV
pradeesh  
#13 Posted : 04 March 2015 05:43:17(UTC)
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pradeesh

Since you mention about nailing, it looks like a wooden structure... or is it a steel structure? In case of roof work we use to guard of the edges, with combisafe guard rails and used to provide a life line which is not supported to the roof. If its a slop roof cant we use inertia reels to restrict the operative movement to edges. Also reduce the number of operatives on the roof as minimum you can... The best option, Is there a better way to do it without sending the operative to roof? regards, Pradeesh
Alfasev  
#14 Posted : 04 March 2015 16:05:19(UTC)
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Alfasev

I believe your work at height issues are solvable by design and manufacturing techniques. It is difficult to propose an idea without the full details but over the years I have seen many issues solve this way. Innovation is the word, who would have thought it would be possible to inflate metal like a balloon but Rolls Royce can. You could manufacture the roof in flat elements on the floor. Have a jib that holds you ridge element and allows you to jack up the other elements to connect with ridge and bolt the elements together from the ground. This may sound complicated but when you go as see how some of our leading manufactures do things it is not. With regards the flooring area I would expand on you netting idea and have the chassis designed so that temporary handrails can quickly be slotted in and removed.
chris42  
#15 Posted : 04 March 2015 17:23:05(UTC)
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chris42

Its a little hard to imagine, is the 4 or 5 feet from the apex to the floor with the lower part actually on the floor or is it a 4 to 5 feet drop from the lower part ? Could you have a post either side and have a running line lenght ways down the roof apex. Allowing them to get to the apex but no further. Roof type ladder to get to the apex and then clip on? Same sort of thing you see for vehicle flatbeds / trailers. Chris
chris42  
#16 Posted : 04 March 2015 17:24:28(UTC)
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chris42

and that should be "lengthways" Chris
meady  
#17 Posted : 06 March 2015 11:01:19(UTC)
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meady

Hi thanks for all your comments and ideas. Were going to wait to see what the inspector puts in his report before making a final decision but the crash mats and netting seem to be the best options. Thanks again Dave
grim72  
#18 Posted : 06 March 2015 12:05:25(UTC)
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grim72

Would something like the http://easi-dec.co.uk/products/easi-dec be an option? I've never used and have no affiliation with them btw
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