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JohnW wrote:Victor, It is encouraging to see you do accept weather as a hazard at work. The sun can be a hazard and our roof installers are provided with sun cream when the conditions of strong sunlight are present. Equally employees whose work may not normally be impacted by sunlight will possibly be at increased risk during an eclipse, they will naturally be inquisitive, so some advice is a good idea.
And that's a valid point. You wouldn't install a roof at night time or during inclement weather. It would therefore be dumb to send them up when you know 90% of the suns disc will be blocked and significant dimming occurs.
Similarly you should be considering how the eclipse impacts on your activities. Will you be having staff gawping into the sky while traffic is moving around the site? Will staff be tempted to misuse PPE (I mentioned welding visors, but made no mention of the staff member who was cavorting round with nothing but a dust mask protecting their modesty)?
All the above did happen on my site in 1999, so they are real and foreseen hazards, which may be need to be considered, even if they are not 'work related' in the strictest possible sense.
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hilary wrote:However, the weather forecast is saying most of the country will be covered in cloud so whether you should, would, shouldn't or wouldn't, you probably needn't anyway!
I will be about 35,000 ft in the air flying south, not too many clouds at that height.
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Ray.... don't look at the sun!
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Hilary, it's the last thing that will be on my mind!
Viva Espana.
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Well done Chris, not difficult eh?
But as Yossarian reminded us, above, it's an 85% eclipse, it will get dark, and if cloudy weather that will make it darker still. Hopefully employees working at height will make good decisions about what work they can safely do on Friday morning, even some staff working on the ground may be more at risk from trip hazards.
As good management I'd be recommending supervisors to make a plan for what work can be done safely.
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I said "Hey did you know there is going to be a partial eclipse of the sun next Friday?"
No was the response.
I said, yes it is going to be a partial eclipse at around 9 am of 85% of the sun.
There was then some discussion about 1999 eclipse.
I then said - I don't need to tell you not to look at it and the sun do I ?
There was more discussion from the men over use of welding masks.
Then one of the guys responded, "why not, you can look straight at the sun normally" !!!
I didn't need to add anymore as the others - urmm - discussed the issue with him.
I didn't think it came over as condescending on my part and cost me almost no time. Did it hurt to do ?
Chris
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Just when most forum users thought this thread had sunk into near oblivion off page 1, here's a thought that the UK Government, the European Union or some other authoritative body ought to have arranged for the risk to be eliminated by getting the event banned entirely, moved to night time or otherwise altered! This would surely save the nation countless hours of productivity and education, etc., likely to be lost by people gawping (er, preferably not directly) at the sun tomorrow morning! Come to think of it, perhaps one or more such bodies have actually made such arrangements and that the weather throughout most parts of the UK will be cloudy. Time will tell ! :-)
p.s. kevinh - when you started this thread I guess you probably didn't envisage the notable number and range of responses it has generated. Anyhow, it's made a welcome change from discussions about topics such as RIDDOR or CDM 2015. :-)
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Yossarian wrote: Will staff be tempted to misuse PPE (I mentioned welding visors, but made no mention of the staff member who was cavorting round with nothing but a dust mask protecting their modesty)?
Hilarious! However, I seem to recollect that the eclipse was in summer last time. Its a bit chilly today and, so far, cloudy hereabouts.
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Jane Blunt wrote:Yossarian wrote: Will staff be tempted to misuse PPE (I mentioned welding visors, but made no mention of the staff member who was cavorting round with nothing but a dust mask protecting their modesty)?
Hilarious! However, I seem to recollect that the eclipse was in summer last time. Its a bit chilly today and, so far, cloudy hereabouts.
But the dust mask will fit better!
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Will you be having staff gawping into the sky while traffic is moving around the site? Will staff be tempted to misuse PPE (I mentioned welding visors, but made no mention of the staff member who was cavorting round with nothing but a dust mask protecting their modesty)?"
What sort of face fit testing will you be expecting for this !
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We survived the eclipse!
Nobody blinded. We improvised our own safe way of looking at the eclipse when we realised that you could get a good view of the refection in a pond!
Practical problem solving at its best.
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I brought in the smoked-plastic top off my hi-fi turntable, that seemed to be a safe device with the added light cloud.
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I did some practical science with my daughter by making a cereal box viewer, very simple, just make a hole at the top of the box and position it to get the sun to shine through to the bottom of the box and look at that.
Then when the clouds came over I looked directly at the sun with my sunglasses on, quite a spectacle.
(I now have a Golden Retriever and a white stick and am wearing the sunglasses all the time) ha ha he he lol
Look out for the Super Moon tonight, any precautions required :-)
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FireSafety101 wrote: Look out for the Super Moon tonight, any precautions required :-)
It being Friday, you know what I'm going to say.....
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Brilliant sunshine now, but big disappointment as we had thick cloud this morning so saw nothing. It got slightly dim, as if it might rain, but nothing that was memorable.
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As expected, all a total over reaction by the h&s 'touchy-feely' gang.
No more dark than a winters day - a little gloomy at worst.
No realistic risk of not being able to see what was going on.
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Ian A-H wrote:FireSafety101 wrote: Look out for the Super Moon tonight, any precautions required :-)
It being Friday, you know what I'm going to say.....
No not really, but my best stab at it is :-
Watch out for the soup dragon !
Full sun all day here in Wales (well except when the moon got in the way this morning )
Chris
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Ian Bell wrote:As expected, all a total over reaction by the h&s 'touchy-feely' gang.
No more dark than a winters day - a little gloomy at worst.
No realistic risk of not being able to see what was going on.
Ah, so you weren't in Aberdeen today then Ian? :o)
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It was cloudy and miserable down here - if you hadn't known there was an eclipse happening you would have thought we were headed for a thunderstorm.
Completely uninspiring :(
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Commiserations to those whose anticipated view of the eclipse this morning was obscured by thick cloud. By sheer coincidence I'd arranged months ago to spend this week with friends in the Inner Hebrides where this morning we watched a 98% eclipse. Hazy cloud assisted us by serving as a natural filter and obviated the use of our collander and pinholed cards.
By the time the next solar eclipse of today's scale occurs in the UK in 2026, I guess this thread really will have sunk into forum obscurity - so perhaps a similar thread will appear a few weeks before it and generate yet another discussion with strongly contrasting opinions! :-)
On a more immediate note, this thread has now received some 3,720 viewings. Does this constitute some sort of viewing record for a discussion forum thread ? (When considering this question it's best to ignore the IOSH/moderatorial 'sticky' type postings which live at the top of discussion forum page 1.)
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"Hazy cloud assisted us by serving as a natural filter"
Check the UV that makes it through hazy cloud. The reduction is not that good...
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BBC news last night had some very good pictures sent in by viewers.
They ranged from good pics of the eclipse just to one side of the Liver Building, to other good quality pics of the eclipse, must have been through filtered lenses, but one in particular caught my eye (excuse the pun) it was a two year old seated on a chair using a welding mask. Or should I say the welding mask was wearing the two year old, just a pair of feet showing at the bottom. Ha ha.
This is one of the discussed issues as misuse of PPE. :-)
Excellent thread with many opposing opinions. This is exactly what the discussion forum is about.
Keep it up people.
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Graham Bullough wrote:By the time the next solar eclipse of today's scale occurs in the UK in 2026, I guess this thread really will have sunk into forum obscurity - so perhaps a similar thread will appear a few weeks before it and generate yet another discussion with strongly contrasting opinions! :-)
I don't see why it should Graham, certainly not in terms of contacting H&S 'bods' for advice and also with it being only 11 years away. There was plenty of appropriate advice both in the press, including the Daily Mail, and the television. Schools also gave the necessary advice and 'PPE' as could be seen by the 100's of school children in Leicester that were on the TV.
Possibly towards the end of this century the question will 'crop up', as this will be when the next total eclipse in the UK is due..... weather permitting of course. Coincidentally we are in New York in 2017 for the total eclipse there...... be interesting to see if the ASSE forum has a similar thread. Mind you the arguments will disappear in due course as will all total eclipses, the moon is moving away from the earth at a rate of 4cm a year.
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And the earth is moving away from the sun, at around 15cm/yr.
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