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mihaibertea  
#1 Posted : 10 April 2015 13:04:53(UTC)
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mihaibertea

HI All, I can't get my head around on how to carry risk assessment for chemical substances that our company has to transport or store for a short period of time. I find it difficult as we are not aware of what substance we are going to have in the next 2-3 hours, which doesn't give us enough time to carry the assessment. Do we have to ask the customer to provide COSHH assessments with the transport paperwork or SDS? It will be interesting to find out how other companies are dealing with the same problem. Thank you
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 10 April 2015 13:25:38(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Firstly we need to find out what your business does. You seem to imply that it is some sort of logistics operation. Containers of stuff are brought in (by customers?) and left ( in your warehouse?) for a short period of time after which they are picked up (by another customer) During this time they just sit on your site: you don’t open them, do anything to them(do you move them with a FLT?). If the above is the case you need to get a handle on what is being brought in. The customers have a legal (under Section 3 of HWSA for a start) to share information with you. Under ADR (which classifies hazardous cargoes) they must carry information about what they are carrying and they must share this with you. You can use this as the basis for your risk assessment which will be used to decide: • If you don’t want to touch this with barge pole and keep it off site • Yes you can handle it but you might need special precautions e.g. additional PPE • Treat it as routine This will be the nub of your RA.
Andrew W Walker  
#3 Posted : 10 April 2015 13:30:57(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

As AK has stated we need to have a bit more info. What are the chemicals (UN Number) and in what quantity (receptacle size and how many per box)? Also, what do you actually do with them? Thanks
mihaibertea  
#4 Posted : 10 April 2015 14:57:41(UTC)
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mihaibertea

We are a freight forwarding company. The substances are not used in any process on our premises, we are just transport them and store. The substance can be of any type e.g. harmful, irritant, toxic etc. When the client sends to goods to us, usually they are well packed, and we handle them using forklift trucks. We have all the documentation from the client, but how are we going to carry the assessment if we have only 2-3 hours to complete one and we may have 2-3 deliveries in the same time.
Kate  
#5 Posted : 12 April 2015 16:20:12(UTC)
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Kate

It sounds like you need a generic assessment, ie these are the risks with corrosive liquids in drums, these are the risks with irritant powders in sacks on pallets, these are the risks with stuff in damaged packaging, etc and in each case what needs to be done about it. Then when the stuff arrives you just need to assign it to whichever category it fits and implement whatever your generic assessment says you need to do with it - which will take hardly any time to work out if you write some easy to follow generic instructions.
stuie  
#6 Posted : 13 April 2015 12:14:25(UTC)
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stuie

That's exactly what we used to do at a previous employer Kate; generic assessment based on the hazardous properties. We stored but did not use hundreds of different agro chems; HSE/LEA Fire and Enviro Agency we all happy with this method.
stuie  
#7 Posted : 13 April 2015 12:16:05(UTC)
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stuie

'were all happy' Oh for an edit function.
Andrew W Walker  
#8 Posted : 13 April 2015 12:19:29(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

I agree with #5 & 6. Even the big carriers would not have a risk assessment for each consignment they picked up. A generic one for the type of hazards will suffice. Andy
A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 13 April 2015 13:01:52(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Yes a set of generics (sixish no more than a dozen) is the way forward. They could be based on: 1.Type of hazardous substance: irritant, corrosive, toxic, harmful 2.Nature: liquid, dry dust solid, etc 3.Type of packaging: cardboard boxes on pallets, IBC or drums for example But you will need some intelligence in the system. This means that your staff should have an idea of what to do if something does not fit into one of the categories you have described. What to do if a container is leaking or damaged or if they cannot read the label or the accompanying paper work is wrong. You might need to set aside a quarantine area where the dodgy stuff can sit until you sort it out.
phargreaves04  
#10 Posted : 13 April 2015 16:34:54(UTC)
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phargreaves04

Yes a generic RA would suffice, we do this work and my RA briefly covers the following points: Loss of containment: Controls would include: packages are UN approved, designated FLT operators, DG awareness training. Fire, explosion, spillage: Controls could be: designated smoking areas, fire extinguishers, means of giving a warning in the event of spillage/fire etc, hot work control, segregation Security: Access to site, approved suppliers, checking ADR certification, CCTV, training etc.
leadbelly  
#11 Posted : 13 April 2015 17:00:11(UTC)
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leadbelly

Depending on the type of substances involved, a number of different spill kits may be required, should there be a loss of containment. LB
mihaibertea  
#12 Posted : 13 April 2015 17:20:00(UTC)
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mihaibertea

Hi all, Thank you for your replies. I like the idea of using generic risk assessments. I wasn't sure if HSE is happy with this method, but now hearing what other companies do regarding this matter, gives me confidence to develop generic risk assessments. Our staff are trained in Dangerous Goods awareness,in the office staff is trained in Dangerous goods by air, and now I am looking to provide training in Safe Use of Spillage Kit. Mihai
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