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kinning  
#1 Posted : 28 May 2015 18:26:17(UTC)
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kinning

I was in a public consultation meeting today where a strong smell of gas occurred. A person shouted out there is a gas leak, which caused other people to shout out 'yes I can smell it'. The people who were facilitating this meeting did not know what to do. I spoke to one of the facilitators and informed them that they had to evacuate the building as quickly as possible as they had a duty of care under H & S. As they did not take any responsibility for this I took it upon myself to tell people to evacuate the building. Outside of the building there was a strong smell of gas. After 20 mins they started to let people go back into the building. I spoke to one of the facilitators and said he should not be letting people go back into the building as there was a strong smell of gas and he then said may be I need to cancel the meeting. Not only am I furious in their lack of their incompetency but the fact they did not take any responsibility in getting people out. Is this something I should be reporting to the HSE? If not, where do I go with this? Any advice would be gratefully received
boblewis  
#2 Posted : 29 May 2015 14:10:46(UTC)
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boblewis

I would see this as a warning sign that they are potentially not competent as Trainers/facilitators altogether not just evacuation.
A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 01 June 2015 13:56:06(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

kinning wrote:
I was in a public consultation meeting today where a strong smell of gas occurred. A person shouted out there is a gas leak, which caused other people to shout out 'yes I can smell it'. The people who were facilitating this meeting did not know what to do. I spoke to one of the facilitators and informed them that they had to evacuate the building as quickly as possible as they had a duty of care under H & S. As they did not take any responsibility for this I took it upon myself to tell people to evacuate the building. Outside of the building there was a strong smell of gas. After 20 mins they started to let people go back into the building. I spoke to one of the facilitators and said he should not be letting people go back into the building as there was a strong smell of gas and he then said may be I need to cancel the meeting. Not only am I furious in their lack of their incompetency but the fact they did not take any responsibility in getting people out. Is this something I should be reporting to the HSE? If not, where do I go with this? Any advice would be gratefully received
Having had a look at this, I asked myself the question: what would other organisations do? Do they have a set emergency evacuation procedure and who initiates it? Or do you rely on someone demonstrating common sense and taking the lead? We had an incident bit like his few years ago and realised that it was not a good idea to rely on ‘common sense’. Instead the procedure was that if someone suspected gas leak they would contact the FM team who would respond immediately and investigate the potential leak. They would be in a position to isolate pipes etc and to require the place to be evacuated and to keep people out until the place was safe. Without a formal procedure you end up with people hanging around waiting for someone to take charge.
kinning  
#4 Posted : 01 June 2015 19:02:03(UTC)
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kinning

Thank you for your comments. There was no facilities management team as the consultation took place in a church hall and they could not get hold of the caretaker. I would have thought that the facilitators of this meeting who were public councillors and housing developers who were used to public speaking etc would know what to do.
kevkel  
#5 Posted : 02 June 2015 10:13:32(UTC)
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kevkel

I have recently put a policy in place for external facilitators or trainers using our facilities to which they must comply in order to be permitted use. It includes clear instruction for evacuation, their responsibilities and what they can and cant do when on site. They dont like it but tough luck!
A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 02 June 2015 10:37:59(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

“I would have thought that the facilitators of this meeting who were public councillors and housing developers who were used to public speaking etc. would know what to do.” Why? Assuming things is where we go wrong. Common sense is not that common: what makes perfect sense to you does not necessarily make sense to anybody else. Do the general public know what to do if there is a gas leak? Do they know who to call? “It includes clear instruction for evacuation, their responsibilities and what they can and can’t do when on site. They don’t like it but tough luck!” Ideally we’d have some sort of policy that everyone signs up to but what does yours include. I can guess most people include what to do if a fire alarm goes off but what about a gas leak? A bomb threat? A chemical leak? Protesters outside the building?
kevkel  
#7 Posted : 02 June 2015 14:59:26(UTC)
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kevkel

A Kurdziel, The policy is only to ensure that "outsiders" are aware of their responsibilities, what is expected of them and procedures for raising the alarm and evacuation etc. we have a number of emergency procedures and a response team in place to actually deal with anything that happens. We just dont allow people onto our site to do or act as they want. They must comply with our policies.
A Kurdziel  
#8 Posted : 02 June 2015 15:10:53(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

"We just dont allow people onto our site to do or act as they want. They must comply with our policies." No doubt you do. Question was more of a rhetorical one: how extensive are the procedures? Do they deal with all eventualities? The original poster seemed to assume that as the people concerned were sensible adults ie ”public councillors and developers” they would know instinctively what the correct procedure would be. it's not like that in real life
kevkel  
#9 Posted : 03 June 2015 12:48:13(UTC)
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kevkel

Too true.
mssy  
#10 Posted : 04 June 2015 06:33:20(UTC)
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mssy

We have a significant set of emergency response procedures and staff are fairly well versed in what to do in most cases. But it's those incidents which fall into the gap between 'obvious emergency' and 'non emergency' (seen perhaps just a building defect) that we still haven't cracked. Two incidents spring to mind: 'An odd smell - perhaps drains' was reported to FM. 10 mins later, the UPS room next door burst into flames. Staff in the office who reported the drains smell later said they thought it could have been a burning small but didn't want to make a fuss by operating the fire alarm!! But my favourite was a cloud of dust from a package when it was opened in our mail area - this followed a Police warning six months before that we were at risk of a 'mail attack'. The mail room worker did not recognise the grey dust as suspicious as he was expecting any threat to be white dust!!! (God knows why?). So he carried the package through three floors to the waste skip spreading the contamination over an area perhaps 50 x bigger than it should have been Its human nature not to initially see something as urgent and serious as it is - denial if you like. We have spent lots of money on procedures, staff comms and training - but I don't think we are any nearer solving this issue. Any idea???
A Kurdziel  
#11 Posted : 04 June 2015 11:06:56(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Smells were the bane of life in my last job. It was a set of labs and various odd odours would be distributed by the air handling system. Often they came from outside (odd farm smells, the pong of a sugar beet processing plant etc) People would deny that they belonged to them. All we could was to investigate each reported incident and try to find the source (a great way to waste an afternoon). As to burning smells, I hope that the smoke/fire detection systems in place would deal with that, although someone did complain of a burning smell and it turned to be a cigarette bin burning outside someone’s window.
Matt_Channnon  
#12 Posted : 04 June 2015 14:01:21(UTC)
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Matt_Channnon

Did anyone ring the gas safety line? Quote: "Gas Helpline,emergency numbers,carbon monoxide poisoning,gas leaks, If you smell gas or are worried about gas safety, you can call 0800 111 999 at any time, day or night. Your call will not cost you anything." Or if there was risk of harm, the fire brigade / emergency services?
stevie40  
#13 Posted : 04 June 2015 17:40:42(UTC)
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stevie40

A Kurdziel wrote:
Smells were the bane of life in my last job..... People would deny that they belonged to them.
He who denies it surely supplied it. Then again, he who smelt it surely dealt it. Sorry, couldn't resist.
mssy  
#14 Posted : 04 June 2015 18:16:14(UTC)
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mssy

stevie40 wrote:
A Kurdziel wrote:
Smells were the bane of life in my last job..... People would deny that they belonged to them.
He who denies it surely supplied it. Then again, he who smelt it surely dealt it. Sorry, couldn't resist.
Go and stand at the back of the class Stevie. This is a serious discussion (but you did make me chuckle!!) :)
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