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Afternoon All!
I've just been doing some reading up on the very lengthy SC Guidance on the proposed guidelines for the Courts when sentencing organsiations and individuals who have been found guilty of a H&S / Food / Corp Mans offence.
I am fairly sure I understand the guidelines now. But what I am slightly confused about is how this would affect the H&S Offences Act 2008?
Do the penalties that are already laid out in this guidance no longer apply if the SC Guidelines are put into practice? I believe H&S Offences raised the fine to £20k for lower Courts?
Be good to hear from anyone who understands this more in depth than me!
Thanks everyone in advance
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I understood it was down to the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Act 2012 which has now been enacted and essentially given Magistrates Courts powers for unlimited fines by blotting out the old Level 5 fine issue. Found an SHP article which might help: http://www.shponline.co....mplementation-s85-laspo/
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What the legislation describes is the MAXIMUM penalties available to a court if a person is found guilty. Courts rarely impose these maximum penalties except in few cases where they are mandatory (eg murder carries mandatory life imprisonment). What the Sentencing Council Guidance does is gives judges an idea of what penalties to impose in various cases. Basically the guidance sets out a standard penalty for a standard offence, and then the judge looks at the mitigation offered by the defendant and reduces the penalty by a suitable amount. He then looks at the aggravating factors which allow him to increase the penalty. They then come up with a “fair” penalty for that case. The Sentencing Council Guidance on H&S offences states that if business causes someone’s death then the standard fine should be £100 000. The judge can then modify it up or down depending on the circumstances of the case. If the case was of very rich company that cynically caused the death of a member of the public the fine could be in the millions.
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Thank you both for your replies, and also that link was helpful.
So do we think then that the H&S Offences Act 2008 no longer applies? Because this Act as I understood raised the maximum fine to £20k in the lower Courts. But now the SC Guidance (or s85 LASPO?) allows for unlimited fine?
Thats the bit I am trying to get my head around sorry.. :)
Thanks in advance again
James
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James You are thinking of the changes that have just been brought in by the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Act 2012. This has given the magistrate’s courts the power to set unlimited fines for any ‘triable either way’ offences including those under HSWA.
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It's the presence of both that brings the sting.
The new proposed guidelines acknowledge that they can be applied at either set of Courts and summarily or by indictment. They don't distinguish between the two....although trial by jury will still generally be opted for by very few prosecutors and generally by exception.
Essentially I understand that that given figures within the H&SOAct '08 no longer apply. They have been overruled by LASPO. The Act is still in force though to the best of my knowledge (not really sure how that works...but many a legal blog seems to not mention that...)
So currently at this point in time there is an unlimited fine all round for companies/organisations under offences under the Act AND Regulations. When the new guidelines come into play (end of 2015?) then the starting point for those unlimited fines will step up significantly.
NB. Not a lawyer! But was in Court only three months ago and Defence barrister was very happy it was then and not now.
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If there are two pieces of legislation that contradict one another (and there is nothing about saving earlier bits of legislation in the new legislation) it assumed that the new legislation implicitly repeals the older legislation.
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