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karljackson365  
#1 Posted : 17 June 2015 12:58:50(UTC)
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karljackson365

Dear All

A scenario for you all:

An elderly lady falls over within a hotel (so a member of public on our property)- she does not trip or slip on anything she just loses her balance. She bangs her leg on impact to the ground that causes a nasty gash . She was taken to hospital and returned the same day with a dressing on her leg.

I originally thought it was a reportable accident owing to the 'member of public' being taken to hospital and having treatment. However going through the online form, I ticked the box where it should it was a member of public and the following information popped up:

'If the person was not at work at the time of the accident, consider if the accident is reportable. To report accidents to people not at work (classed as members of the public for reporting purposes), they must have sustained the injury or injuries as a result of a work activity and been taken directly to hospital for treatment to that injury (if they were not in hospital premises at the time).'

Therefore I am now thinking that this accident is not reportable as the injury was not a result of a work activity?

Thanks

Karl
wclark1238  
#2 Posted : 17 June 2015 13:07:09(UTC)
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wclark1238

karljackson365 wrote:
Therefore I am now thinking that this accident is not reportable as the injury was not a result of a work activity?


I tend to agree with you........and more importantly so does the HSE! If the accident was not 'caused' by some work activity - if she tripped over a power cable whilst a cleaner was vacuuming for instance - then it is not reportable under RIDDOR.

So, as described, "she just loses her balance" = not reportable.
karljackson365  
#3 Posted : 17 June 2015 13:08:50(UTC)
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karljackson365

Thanks for your response
Xavier123  
#4 Posted : 17 June 2015 15:47:03(UTC)
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Xavier123

Agree. Not reportable.

I didn't realise the HSE had put that prompt into the online reporting tool. Nice.
bob youel  
#5 Posted : 18 June 2015 08:09:02(UTC)
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bob youel

Whatever the event if it was not caused by a work related activity it is not reportable and this sort of thing happens all the time every day
Animax01  
#6 Posted : 18 June 2015 09:39:00(UTC)
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Animax01

If she had, had the same wobble 5 minutes later whilst walking down the street this conversation would never happen. So yes, I totally agree and well done the HSE!!
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 18 June 2015 09:58:27(UTC)
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firesafety101

Karl many thanks for our enlightnement, while I agree is not reportable, thanks to the HSE for providind the further guidance, I have a scenario.

My Mum many years ago entered a workpace as a member of the public and had a fall while descending a set of stairs. Outside the sun was shining brightly and there were no lights on inside.

She Stumbled resulting in a fractured collarbone.

This was not reported and I think it was reportable at the time. There would have been a decent compo claim as well but my mum was not interested.

Would that be reportable today because the lights if switched on may have hepled my mum to see the stairs?

karljackson365  
#8 Posted : 18 June 2015 10:10:08(UTC)
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karljackson365

Thanks everyone for your responses...

Fire Safety: I was considering posting another scenario just like yours.

My opinion would be no it would not be reportable as it is still not a work activity.

The reason why I might think that is reportable is because there was a wrong doing - the lights were not on at the time (but then, were they needed to be on - was there sufficient light?)

Are the HSE suggesting that even if there was a wrong doing, accidents are only reportable if it was a result of a work place activity? If so, your scenario would not be reportable.

If however; your mum was invited to the work place for a tour by a member of staff, or maybe she was being interviewed / a sales person or just a visitor talking about the work place - would that be classed as a work place activity???
DP  
#9 Posted : 18 June 2015 12:26:15(UTC)
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DP

RIDDOR Posts.......

Unlike many, I actually don't mind these even though the same matters are discussed often in the posts. It provides an opportunity to debate 'interpretation' a big part of our job..

What I find really interesting is that there tends to be large proportion of agreement with MOP accidents. Of course this in not reportable but if this had been an employee incident, resulting in an over 7 day loss rather than attending hospital directly ( once again not notifiable).

I feel that some posters would be arguing report. Just find it interesting.....

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