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marcus.wood  
#1 Posted : 24 June 2015 10:42:50(UTC)
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marcus.wood

Hi, My company wants to ship steel kiosks using a estate car. The kiosk would be lying in the boot with the back seats down. It wouldn't really be lashed down or anything. I'm worried it's not safe as you potentially have a 50kg missile in the back slamming into the front seats. I should specify we have a van but if it's in use they want to use the car as a backup. So far we've not had to use it but I think we shouldn't at all. Does anyone know if there's a specific law that prevents this. My boss seems to think I'm overreacting so want something to show him to prove he'd be putting employees at risk. Am I overreacting? Any help gratefully appreciated!
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 24 June 2015 10:59:06(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Why not have a manufacturer approved load compartment guard properly fitted? Typical example: http://www.fordpartsuk.c...uard_f_1723910_c_164.htm
marcus.wood  
#3 Posted : 24 June 2015 11:11:18(UTC)
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marcus.wood

That would only work if it was fitted behind the rear seats wouldn't it? They'd want the rear seats folded down so the boot would be big enough to fit a kiosk in.
fiesta  
#4 Posted : 24 June 2015 11:21:10(UTC)
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fiesta

I think there was an Info Advert of TV not so long ago advising parents to ensure their kids wear their seatbelts. Clearly the first issue they were driving at was the safety of the child but the secondary issue mentioned was the force with which they would / could hit the back of the front seats in an impact scenario.
graemecollard  
#5 Posted : 24 June 2015 11:50:31(UTC)
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graemecollard

"A person is guilty of an offence if he uses, or causes or permits another to use, a motor vehicle or trailer on a road when— the condition of the motor vehicle or trailer, or of its accessories or equipment, or the weight, position or distribution of its load, or the manner in which it is secured, is such that the use of the motor vehicle or trailer involves a danger of injury to any person." Section 40A of the Road Traffic Act The fact that the load isn't secure means the both the drive and the responsible manager are committing an offence. I wouldn't have an opinion on what vehicle is used to transport it, but that is the law on load security. He must satisfy himself and you that the load will be secured so as not to pose a hazard to the driver. Car, van, lorry, horse drawn cart it makes no difference.
rusty 01  
#6 Posted : 24 June 2015 11:50:51(UTC)
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rusty 01

Hi Marcus, have a look at this video, regarding not securing loads. its not 100% to your scenario but close enough to hit the mark.
Vehicles come under PUWER and haver to be fit for purpose and task. The HSE can prosecute in these scenario's (usually with police help in the investigation). Regards Russ
boblewis  
#7 Posted : 24 June 2015 11:51:35(UTC)
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boblewis

Exactly how will these be loaded/unloaded. You will also need to check out the permitted load limit for the vehicle.
marcus.wood  
#8 Posted : 24 June 2015 11:56:35(UTC)
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marcus.wood

It's on kiosk weighing about 49.8kg, so shouldn't affect the load limit, I'm more worried about it it's push forward into the driver/passenger seats. There is anchor points in the car which say they can take 120kg but I'm not sure they're in the correct position to prevent forward motion.
chris.packham  
#9 Posted : 24 June 2015 11:56:36(UTC)
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chris.packham

I don't know what car you have, but mine, not even an estate, has fixings to which you can lash down a load. It may also be that if yours does not they could be fitted (four ring bolts is all that is needed.) Chris
marcus.wood  
#10 Posted : 24 June 2015 11:57:30(UTC)
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marcus.wood

Really appreciate the comments from everyone. Glad to see I'm not overreacting!
kevkel  
#11 Posted : 24 June 2015 12:03:33(UTC)
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kevkel

Tie down load to seat belt anchors. I do it regularly!
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