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Is a roof space classed as a confined space - if yes - why? and if not - why not?
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Its not a simple yes or no answer.
It depends.... does working in the roof space have one of the prescribed risks as given in the Confined Spaces Regs?
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As Ian says its not a simple yes or no answer - here is a definition and risks below ...hope this helps
Confined space – means any place, including any chamber, tank, vat, silo, pit, trench, pipe, sewer, flue, well or similar space in which, by virtue of its enclosed nature, there arises a reasonably foreseeable specified risk.
Specified risk – means a risk to any person at work of:
serious injury arising from a fire or explosion; loss of consciousness arising from an increase in body temperature; loss of consciousness or asphyxiation arising from gas, fume, vapour or the lack of oxygen; drowning arising from the an increase in the level of liquid; asphyxiation arising from a free-flowing solid or because of entrapment by it.
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Brian has given the correct detailed legal definition but a 'back to basics' response is:
In law (and practice) a 'confined space' isn't just a place that is physically confined, but somewhere you can also be exposed to a significant breathing hazard. Most roof spaces won't have any such hazards, so aren't 'confined spaces' in law - though they may well be difficult to access and/or rescue someone from if they have an accident or illness while in them.
But if that happens and the person can't self-rescue (e.g. leg through weak ceiling, heart attack), there's then no other continuing hazard from the space itself. Whereas in a 'confined space', both the individual and rescuers have to be suitably protected from the breathing risk for as long as it takes to get everyone out.
Hope this explains the 'whys' in your initial posting.
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To add to what has already been said, you should consider the work activity - could that bring about a specified risk?
Eg, hard physical work under a roof on a hot summer's day may bring about heat exhaustion, thus making it a confined Space.
Ian
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I agree with Ian. If you had someone who was working in a roof space on a hot summers day, the temperature can easily be high 30's and can result in heat stress and exhaustion, particularly if there is no ventilation and no means of losing heat. We have employees in their late 60's and still working, some of which have to endure these conditions. For this reason we do treat such spaces as confined spaces as per our risk assessment. I hope this clarifies.
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I have done extensive confined space work and would not class working in a typical attic as a confined space solely because of hot weather and the risk of heat stress.
I have also worked in 100% humidity with temperatures in the 40s. It is the humidity and the ability to sweat to control your core body temperature and not just temperature that is important. In the high 30s I would say this is the more significant factor.
There are a number of stages and symptoms before heat stress becomes a medical condition. If you find yourself in a situation working in a typical attic where someone is incapacitated because of heat stress you have failed to control it. A simple plug in blower will dramatically reduce the temperature.
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There was a big discussion about whether attics, lofts, voids, etc were a confined space some time back. Mixed responses if I recall correctly. The crux of the issue is what hazards are there likely to be in the roof space and what controls can one reasonably put in place - tricky.
As far as I'm concerned a roof space is not a confined space per se. However, there could be a lack of oxygen, heat, hazards like asbestos, fibre glass, etc, then clearly the roof space could be dangerous and considered a confined space.
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As a digression from health hazards, it might be useful to mention that if squirrels can access roof spaces, they can pose a range of safety hazards mostly because of their need (like other rodents) to gnaw frequently on slightly resistant non-food items and prevent their continually growing teeth from becoming too long. Thus, repeatedly gnawed roof timbers can become dangerously weakened while chewed PVC and rubber insulation on electric cables can result in exposed live wires. Also, if squirrels feel trapped in a location or think their offspring are threatened by humans, they can attack by biting - as I unwittingly discovered many years ago. :-(
Also, to add a health dimension, it is prudent for anyone bitten by a squirrel to seek prompt medical advice, especially with regard to tetanus.
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