Hi all

Currently trying to figure out how to categorise a couple of possible DSE users. We have a CNC press brake operator and a CNC laser operator who both use DSE for part of their job. They do need to concentrate whilst using the DSE and both have no choice about using it but it only part of their job. Going by the HSE guidance; I'd say they are both pretty much on the borderline as to whether I would class them as DSE users.

Anyone have any experience here? Common sense would tell me "It's better to be safe than sorry". Although my bosses may not think that...

I'd agree with Ron.

I would not class them as DSE users.

Andy

Common sense aside; the DSE regs state:
"The combination of
factors which give rise to risks makes it impossible to lay down hard-and-fast rules
(for example based on set hours’ usage per day or week) about who should be
classified as a user or operator."

And then goes on to say:
"It will generally be appropriate to
classify the person concerned as a user or operator if they:
(a) normally use DSE for continuous or near-continuous spells of an hour or
more at a time; and
(b) use DSE in this way more or less daily; and
(c) have to transfer information quickly to or from the DSE;
and also need to apply high levels of attention and concentration; or are highly
dependent on DSE or have little choice about using it; or need special training
or skills to use the DSE."

All of which I think would definitely apply to our laser operator but not so much the press brake operator.

The press brake operator still has to use the DSE to check and update all the programs sent to his machine but this is usually a much quicker process (less than an hour) than the laser operator adjusting focal points, re-nesting etc.

So aside from sweeping generalisations; does anyone have any experience with this? To me it looks like they could be classed as DSE users but my boss feels very differently about paying for eye tests for these guys. Anyone had to defend a claim against something like this?

Unfortunately; that's as far as my boss is concerned. I've been pushing for them to be included in our eye test programme but facing resistance. Was hoping someone could point me in the direction of claims info or case law or some sort of personal experience with this niche situation.