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What advice / who could I contact with regards to briefing / training staff on how to react to an active shooter situation???
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Reply with rounds down range. 'At your target in front go on' is the correct term
If some nut goes mad, its pot luck
Call the cops
Run away
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I don't think the average civilian has any idea what to do or appreciate the power of military small arms - especially given recent events.
Aren't you just going to scare your the very people you are briefing?
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RLF is I believe the relevant military term.
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Dash, Down, Crawl,Observe,Sights, FIRE!
Sorry I couldn't resist it. Those of a Infantry persuasion will understand.
Seriously to assist in answering the question. Take Cover & Bug Out or if you have a Firearm at hand, get some rounds down the range.
Mind how you go.
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My military experience is very limited, so I just wonder if RLF has any connection with ROFL which I understand is the abbreviation for the former Royal Ordnance Factory Leeds ! :-)
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Toe - Rolled on floor laughing.
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Interesting question :0)
My first question is: where are the staff going to be based - UK or abroad? This could affect the possibility of their being involved in a shooting incident in the first place, and if they are the speed at which they're likely to get support.
As regards advice, I'd suggest speaking to the firearms unit of your local police force.
Failing that, a Google search should bring up security consultancies (manned by ex military personnel) who work in VIP close protection and who train close protection teams. They should have a view on how unarmed staff should react when firearms are produced.
Hope this helps :0)
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The Department for Homeland Security & FBI both have some guidance on dealing with active shooter scenarios, and this is freely available via their websites.
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Personally I would reply with a GPMG or an old MG42.
Saying that we used Paveways LGB - none of this infantry nonsense.
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Nuke the entire site from orbit--it’s the only way to be sure
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I'm mostly interested in the reason for asking this question, rather than the (excellent) replies.
OP, you're not posting this while crouched under a desk, are you?
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Can u explain just what U mean by the term 'active shooter' as it would help us to answer/support
E.g. I know of an 'active shooter' in the UK and the authorities will do noting real about it: Background; a child regularly goes to different junior schools and shoots his air-gun through the railings at the kids playing ---- The authorities know all about the situation but little has been done and the reason they give is that he is part of a particular group so there is not much that can be done except remove the gun [he then gets another one]
as a person who has gotten his 'knees brown' for the queen & country [in my day we did not have all these new terms] I feel that unless U are a professional the only answer to an 'active shooter' is to get out of the way ASAP & without hesitation!
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as a person who has gotten his 'knees brown' for the queen & country...
That's a silly thing to do - much better to pop a Paveway through someone's front window - it sure makes your eyes water when it goes bang.
In the meantime, sitting in the crew room drinking tea, while the green grow bag does his job.
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Thanks to Peter Hosie for the video link.
Where's Bruce Willis when you need him?
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Thanks guys for some useful information there.
If anyone knows an ex SAS, marine that provides such training then please let me know.
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Hi does the Pukkafilms link work for you?
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Pukkafilms link worked OK for me a few minutes ago - and it's a very informative film :0)
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Hodgkinson42218 wrote:
Hi does the Pukkafilms link work for you?
It does for me, but it's an embed from vimeo. The direct link is https://vimeo.com/122758640 which might work if the other doesn't.
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I'm former Royal Marine Commandos and civvie Police, and also have practical experience in training journalists and NGO's travelling to hostile areas of the world.
Drop me a PM and tell me what you are looking for in a training package.
Jim
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Used to wearing pretty coloured hats then.....
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In the light of the terrible attacks in Tunisia and the continued threat to UK citizens at home and abroad, I am a bit taken back by the lightweight level of humour in some of the replies here on a professional H&S forum.
Another term more commonly used in the UK is “Marauding Terrorist Incidents” or "T66 Incidents"
It is clear that some workplaces will have a heightened risk of attack than others, so where necessary a RA may be useful.
Some may be able to see advice from their local Police via their CTSAs http://content.met.polic...0006571857/1400006571857 .
While in key areas the CPNI may assist. http://www.cpni.gov.uk/
Sadly, the UK Govt don't offer much in the way of advice, but adding this scenario to emergency plans seems to be the key if your workplace is towards the higher level of risk
https://www.gov.uk/gover...ing-the-terrorist-threat
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Flippant maybe... but the harsh reality is that is only a matter of time before such an event happens on a High Street near you.
Our intelligence services can't stop every terrorist attack.
The recent exercise in London was ok, but really if you were a terrorist why would you attack in London, where there is more surveillance/cops etc.
It would seem more obvious to go for one of our provincial cities/large towns - Lincoln, Exeter, Chester etc.
Walking down the a buy shopping street on a Saturday afternoon with an AK-47, it very likely 40-50 could be dead before Plod responded.
I'm involved with oil refineries/COMAH sites - how about a petrol tanker is hijacked as it goes from service station to service station - then driven down a busy street, a small initiating charge is attached to the side of it..... it doesn't bear thinking about.
While I wasn't a greenie/Pongo - I did enough weapons training to have a healthy respect for weapons. The so called level of humour is typical of HM Forces 'black' sense of humour ... because ultimately we all understand/understood the potential outcome of our respective professions.
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Where is the edit function - apologies for the spelling errors!!
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Out of interest, who were you with Ian
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Ah......so not actually part of the military then?
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I see no sense in sitting in a hole in the ground....
I guess you wouldn't object to a Tonka overhead with LGBs...
Someone had to fix them..
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The original posting was vague with its allusion to an "active shooting situation", a term which is probably unfamiliar to most of us and which some might guess is a military one. Anyhow, the ambiguity might help to explain the wide range and nature of responses on this thread.
Ian Bell's good point at #25 about the humour in this thread prompts me to add that 'black' alias 'dark' humour is enjoyed by people in many roles other than in HM Forces, including doctors, paramedics,mountain rescue team members, police officers, HSE inspectors and of course OSH practitioners. The trouble is that some/many outsiders who read/hear such humour might not recognise or understand it and therefore misconstrue it as callous and unfeeling. I guess it's likely that academics have researched and reported on aspects of 'black' humour.
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Ian whenever I got onboard one with wings they either made me jump out of the back, or took me somewhere that was freezing cold/boiling hot.
Invariable anything with rotor blades, having happily dropped me off, couldn't pick me up again because the cloud base was to low, to high, it was to dark, to bright, raining to heavy, raining not heavy enough, the pilot was waiting for his tuxedo to come back from the cleaners, the LZ was not secure, or you make it all wet and muddy in the back and we have to clean.....lol
Only ribbing you buddy. Had many a good time with Crab Air.
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"Flippant maybe... but the harsh reality is that is only a matter of time before such an event happens on a High Street near you."
It has already happened. Hungerford - Michael Ryan. 1984 ish if memory serves me right. I think there have been others.
Graham
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What was the saying 'If you can't take a joke you shouldn't have joined'
If you are daft enough to jump out, that's a problem you have.
We have/had standards to maintain... drinks in the mess, home for tea and biccies
Some people just don't get the jesting and mick taking - we all know 'our' service was the best
Black humour/cynical outlook being cruical
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It is a deadly serious subject but I see no harm in dealing with it in a darkly humourous way. As others have said, and as is clearly evidenced by many of the contributions to this thread, military and former military personnel do tend towards the darker end of the spectrum where humour is concerned.
As for which service is/was the best.......perhaps better that I stay out of this one as I'm sure to be in a minority of one around here (unless I'm very much mistaken) with my answer to that question. My avatar may provide a clue to where my loyalties lie though. :-)
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Pretty obvious which service/ regiment is the best...not even open for discussion really.
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stonecold wrote:Pretty obvious which service/ regiment is the best...not even open for discussion really.
Yes! and for those who can't figure it out its the Army Air Corps. ;-)
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#36... very obvious which is the best...
'Per Ardua ad Astra'
or alternatively
'It will do a trip'
As for a BUFF photos as avatar - an organisation that sends 50 engineers, when 3 or 4 will do. Not forgetting the Coke machine etc
Not worthy of any further comment
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Ian Bell wrote:
As for a BUFF photos as avatar - an organisation that sends 50 engineers, when 3 or 4 will do. Not forgetting the Coke machine etc
Not worthy of any further comment
Your information is clearly out of date. It has only taken 49 techies to get a BUFF off the ground since the tail-guns have been removed/de-commissioned :-)
In truth and back in the day (don't suppose things have changed that much now though), I deployed a few times with 2 or 3 airframes flying 1 or 2 missions per day for trips up to 7-days and the hands on maintainers could be counted on the fingers of 2 hands. Generally 1 crew-chief, 1 assistant crew chief (per airframe), 1 engines, 1 hydraulics, 1 electrics, 1 instruments, 1 nav/bomb nav, 1 electronic countermeasures. In addition there'd generally be 3 or 4 weapon systems types to load ordinance.
Great shame that 'you guys' have not been as good at keeping your 50's era bombers in the air.
RIP Avro Vulcan.
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I was thinking 50 engineers to keep a couple of F15s serviceable.
For a BUFF, I would have thought 150 engineers per aircraft...
How many guys to look after the Coke machine and to flip the burgers?
Why keep 1950's deltas airborne? Pretty, but well past their sell by date.
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