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Invictus  
#1 Posted : 17 July 2015 15:24:45(UTC)
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Invictus

A fire escape route in a children's home is on to a flat roof of a garage:

1. Requires a barrier and safe way down to prevent fall from height?
2. Robust procedure to prevent fall from height?

3 storey 56 bed unit Fire doors are not fitting correctly not a 3/4 mm gap more like 10mm on a protected corridor's, passed by building control as new build 2013, no further construction since.
1.Raise concerns
"2. Just state refer to certificate from building control.

and there's only one way to solve this isn't 'fight'.
Alfasev  
#2 Posted : 17 July 2015 16:04:43(UTC)
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Alfasev

I would say the flat roof will require permanent barriers/hand rails rather than a robust procedure.

Building control are an enforcing authority and do not inherit liabilities if they fail to spot a building fault. It is the designers’ and contractor’s duty to get it right. This is not my field but the contractor can be held liable for this building fault under the terms and conditions of the building contract. You could make them return to site to carry out remedial works. You need to contact the contract administrator normally the project managers/quantity surveyors.

With the gaps you are talking about an inspection by the fire brigade could result in enforcement action against the owner.
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 17 July 2015 16:44:32(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Flat roof of a garage isn't a place of safety. Is this a proper designed route, or someone's bright idea of a secondary exit?

Either way, a call to the Fire Service with your concerns should improve matters.
firesafety101  
#4 Posted : 17 July 2015 16:48:51(UTC)
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firesafety101

I find this hard to believe, a new build 2013 with. Means of escape terminating on a flat roof?

My mind is certainly boggling right now.

Do you hve a fire risk assessment if so who did that for you?

Seems a competence issue there.

The roof needs a safe way down not just to prevent fall from height but to provide means of escape to a place of safety.

Yes the frs will be interested especially as it is a life/sleeping risk.
toe  
#5 Posted : 17 July 2015 17:32:16(UTC)
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toe

Invictus, I don't recall reading what your involvement is in you post, are you the 'responsible person', the registered manager for the home, FRA assessor, H&S bod or just making enquiries out of interest. If you have responsibilities or you are accountable irrespective of the any safety issue you must raise your concerns - using teflon shoulders and suggesting to state "refer to someone else" in my opinion is not morally right. The 'I told you so' feeling you get when it transpires you are correct disappears when a person has been injured or suffers.

You are obviously concerned, does the premises have a sprinkler system fitted? as this makes all the difference.
toe  
#6 Posted : 17 July 2015 18:15:40(UTC)
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toe

Just to point out about getting the fire and rescue service involved as advised in previous posts.

Before the children's home would have been granted their licence to operate approval requires being sought from the Fire Service, so they would have approved the escape route and the fire doors at some point and also they should be conducting regular inspection visits of the home.

John D C  
#7 Posted : 17 July 2015 21:08:23(UTC)
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John D C

Don't worry about having to speak to the local fire service. I can remember looking at a pub/ hotel we had just taken over after one of my team raised concerns about an open staircase which was part of the means of escape and had no separation along one of the corridors it led into to. It also had some bedroom doors opening onto it. The premises had a fire certificate under the legislation in force at the time and been subject to a annual inspection by the fire service. There was no way the inspecting officer could have said this was ok. On talking to the local officer he said that one set of rooms we actually flats and were delayed from the others rooms classed as the hotel by a half hour fire wall. We subsequently established that whenever the inspection was due the previous owner used to use an excuse that he would be away for a couple of days so the service delayed the inspection. In the time he had now gained he got his friend then builder in to fit some fire resistant billboards in place to give protection to the staircase and separate the two sets of rooms. A quick coat of emulsion part and job done. The final piece of evidence was when the previous manager told me that the skateboard sheets that I found blocking the fire exit and insisted they went in a skip right away, were the boards used by the builder. Hence be careful about accepting the fact that it was signed off as OK. Some people are devious when it comes to spending money to comply with the law.
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