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firesafety101		#1 Posted : 03 August 2015 17:47:22(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Has anyone seen the ad on the back page of the latest SHP ? If not please have a look and see if you think the same as me. IMO whoever decides on adverts needs to re-think before placing the likes of this.
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mssy		#2 Posted : 03 August 2015 18:15:14(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Give us a clue FS101. I am not home until Thursday!!
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firesafety101		#3 Posted : 03 August 2015 18:46:58(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Top of page shows a photo of a man in wheelchair waiting for a lift with a large OUT OF ORDER notice alongside. Bottom half of page is an ad for an an EVAC chair. As if to say what if your lift breaks down, how will you evacuate ?
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chris.packham		#4 Posted : 03 August 2015 21:31:44(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Two thoughts Firstly, if the lift is out of order, how did he get up to that floor? More importantly, I thought the rule was that in the event of a fire or other emergency the golden rule was not to take the lift. Chris
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mssy		#5 Posted : 04 August 2015 03:20:11(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		I do not see this ad as targeting emergency evacuation Surely this is simply the chair's suppliers trying to increase sales by marketing a more 'imaginable' and likely situation than a fire, in that the lift has broken down and there is a mobility impaired person who needs to leave the premises.
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stonecold		#6 Posted : 04 August 2015 06:47:03(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		FireSafety101 wrote: Has anyone seen the ad on the back page of the latest SHP ? If not please have a look and see if you think the same as me. IMO whoever decides on adverts needs to re-think before placing the likes of this. Why is advertising an evac chair a bad thing? Plenty of places use them as an upper floor evac option for people with a mobility issue. Lifts do sometimes break down, they are mechanical, thats life....Whats your solution for a wheel chair user to exit an upper floor then?
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HSSnail		#7 Posted : 04 August 2015 08:09:54(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Have to agree with stonecold and mssy it does not appear to be about emergency evacuation. Chris never been into a building only to find the lift has broken down while you have been in a meeting? Used to be a regular occurrence in my office till we replaced the lifts! Having said that not sure I would want to use the evac chair to get out in a none emergency situation. Know a few wheel chair users that say they are not a pleasant experience and would rather take their chances on waiting for the fire service!
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firesafety101		#8 Posted : 04 August 2015 09:40:01(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		OK it is my opinion that the ad is pointing out the wheelchir user is unable to use the lift in an emergency situation. Personally I agree with Brian who would not like to use an EVAC chair in a non emergency. My 14 year old daughter is a wheelchair user and refuses to use an EVAC chair at all.
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mssy		#9 Posted : 04 August 2015 09:58:57(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Good luck with getting the fire service out to a non life threatening lift incident Brian! Whilst many still attend - many will not unless there's a serious illness, entrapment or injury. Those who will attend, will often charge £200 or so See Cambridgeshire Fire Services policy here (section 3.3 refers) This is another example of a 21st century public service(?) for you
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mssy		#10 Posted : 04 August 2015 10:00:00(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Link to Cambridgeshire's policy http://www.cambsfire.gov...soft_Word_-_130131-5.pdf (where's that edit feature IOSH?)
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rsherl01		#11 Posted : 04 August 2015 10:00:38(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Has this been changed? My back cover shows a picture of cutlery at the top and the Evac Chair at the bottom?
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watcher		#12 Posted : 04 August 2015 10:15:08(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Eminently sensible, IMHO and a good marketing ploy by the EVAC chair supplier. What would the suggestion be for staff when the lift is out of order, then? Should they be sent home until the engineer has been?
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HSSnail		#13 Posted : 04 August 2015 10:33:07(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		mssy wrote: Good luck with getting the fire service out to a non life threatening lift incident Brian! Whilst many still attend - many will not unless there's a serious illness, entrapment or injury. Those who will attend, will often charge £200 or so See Cambridgeshire Fire Services policy here (section 3.3 refers) This is another example of a 21st century public service(?) for you Think you misunderstood me would never try to get the fire service for a lift break down, my comment was from friends who would rather wait in a fire situation than use a evac chair!
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Invictus		#14 Posted : 04 August 2015 11:24:03(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Thought they were advertising evac chairs for use in other situations and not just fire 'thinking outside the box'. A lot of people would only consider the use of the chairs in fire situations. I know a lot of people don't like having to use them but aren't they just doing what people with disabilities want.'access to everywhere'. Buying a new protected lift is out of the question for most companies. There just saying there are alternatives if the lift breaks down.
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pl53		#15 Posted : 04 August 2015 11:33:40(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		What is all the fuss about this advert. There is no ambiguity, it is advertising a product to use to assist in evacuating someone with impaired mobility in an emergency situation. In big red letters it says "So, in the event of an emergency, can you evacuate safely?" and suggests a scenario where a lift is out of order when evacuation is required It goes on to say "Eva+Chair provide a universal solution for smooth stairway descent in an emergency evacuation" - thereby suggesting an alternative to the lift. The words emergency and evacuation are the clues here. Where in the advert does it suggest anything other than using it in an emergency evacuation? So having established that, what possibly could there be to object to in this advert
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Invictus		#16 Posted : 04 August 2015 11:50:37(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		It doesn't state in the equality act that you only need to supply access or egress in an emergency only. They actually mention it on the back page because they quote the equality act and they statement they use does not say only in an emegergency, 'buildings must provide adequate access and egress facilities for all persons with disabilities who may enter or exit a building' where in that statement does it end with but only in an emergency.
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firesafety101		#17 Posted : 04 August 2015 12:11:37(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		PL53 wrote: What is all the fuss about this advert. There is no ambiguity, it is advertising a product to use to assist in evacuating someone with impaired mobility in an emergency situation. In big red letters it says "So, in the event of an emergency, can you evacuate safely?" and suggests a scenario where a lift is out of order when evacuation is required It goes on to say "Eva+Chair provide a universal solution for smooth stairway descent in an emergency evacuation" - thereby suggesting an alternative to the lift. The words emergency and evacuation are the clues here. Where in the advert does it suggest anything other than using it in an emergency evacuation? So having established that, what possibly could there be to object to in this advert PL55 you say it yourself "So, in the event of an emergency, can you evacuate safely?" and suggests a scenario where a lift is out of order when evacuation is required" As of to say if the lift was not out of order it would be used in an emergency. I see enough differing opinions/comments on here to prove my point.
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watcher		#18 Posted : 04 August 2015 12:12:36(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		I suspect the original post was getting uptight about the inference they took that if the chair was an alternative, then the use of the lift was sanctioned in some way in an emergency. I don't think there is any "fuss" about the advert though, at least not from the majority of posters who can see the bigger picture. Unfortunately, some posters seem to spend their time actively seeking something to complain about.
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pl53		#19 Posted : 04 August 2015 12:13:37(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		It doesn't need to say it in that statement because it does say it in very big red letters in the very next statement. One statement leads to the other. You have a statutory duty to provide safe access and egress for all persons with disabilities - how are you going to do that in an emergency evacuation? That is what this advert is saying - it is not saying, at any point, use our product for normal access and egress. How could that possibly be misconstrued?
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stonecold		#20 Posted : 04 August 2015 12:22:08(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Watcher wrote: Unfortunately, some posters seem to spend their time actively seeking something to complain about. I read most comments on here daily, and would whole heartly agree with your final comment. Obviously im not going to rock the boat by disclosing who i am referring too :)
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firesafety101		#21 Posted : 04 August 2015 12:27:49(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Ha Ha are we getting uptight here or what. A picture tells a thousand words and that picture tells a story that makes me think the lift would be OK to use if it wasn't broken.
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Invictus		#22 Posted : 04 August 2015 12:47:36(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Is the lift being out of order an emergency?
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Kate		#23 Posted : 04 August 2015 13:00:33(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Well it might be OK to use the lift if it happens to be an evacuation lift.
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Invictus		#24 Posted : 04 August 2015 13:11:28(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Kate wrote: Well it might be OK to use the lift if it happens to be an evacuation lift. Well it's out of order! so escape lift or not it's broke.
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Kate		#25 Posted : 04 August 2015 13:22:36(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Indeed, so the evac chair supplier might want us to think about what we'll do if the fire alarm goes off while the evacuation lift is out of service. And if course, if you don't have an evac lift in the first place, all the more reason to consider their product.
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