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JohnW  
#1 Posted : 05 August 2015 11:12:41(UTC)
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JohnW

Just want to make some comments about a recent prosecution on the HSE press release site. I have been on sites with similar problems so this is of great interest to me.

http://press.hse.gov.uk/...nsafe-working-practices/

A long list of safety breaches, an appalling construction site, only brought to the attention of HSE by a member of the public.

An international construction company (who do not appear to have a functional website)

I'm trying to understand the conviction. Despite the long list of safety breaches, and that HSE inspectors served six Prohibition Notices and two Improvement Notices, the press release states the company was prosecuted for only two offences, for breaching Section 2(1) and 3 (1) of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 - and was fined £40,000 (£20,000 per offence).

OK it's a big fine which is good. Breaching HaSaWA, OK. But would it not be useful to persons reading this press release to know what regulations were ignored by this company, in particular CDM, WAH, PUWER and the Workplace/Welfare regs? Would these regulations have been part of the discussions in court?



JohnW  
#2 Posted : 05 August 2015 11:14:53(UTC)
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JohnW

And to add, it is very interesting to see such large fines in this case where there had not been an accident! A good case study to share with construction clients!
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 05 August 2015 13:35:13(UTC)
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RayRapp

John

I suspect the HSE aggregated the offences to make a s2 and s3 prosecution. Each offence in itself hardly warrants a prosecution by HSE standards.

The site and management arrangements sound like a shower of .... So what about the client? Nothing mentioned as usual - until clients feel the full force of the law these situations will continue. Makes the CDM regs seem a bit pathetic post 2015 revision or not.
Jimothy999  
#4 Posted : 05 August 2015 13:44:43(UTC)
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Jimothy999

By necessity the press release needs to contain factual information and the prosecution was under HASAWA rather than subservient regulations. Only the court could decide whether they had breached the regs you mention and they were not asked to make that judgement. It's pretty common for the HSE to stick to prosecuting under HASAWA as it is easier to do so successfully given its wording and previous case law I presume.

Always sad to see these sorts of things coming up. It's a strong reminder that not everyone thinks of the safety of their people as a high priority or is prepared to spend time and money on it. Agree with you that it is good to have cases showing that the lack of safety controls illegal, not an actual accident. Goes right to the heart of what we try to achieve.
aud  
#5 Posted : 05 August 2015 14:15:00(UTC)
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aud

Good example, as said.
However, I was told by an HSE inspector back when the 'six-pack' of regulations arrived that the only actual difference these made, was that it was easier for them to prosecute under specific regulation than the all-encompassing HSWA, as the legal effort required is less.
One assumes that in this case there were so many breaches of a range of regulations that the reverse applied, and those breaches collectively became the evidence to demonstrate s2 & s3 failures.
JohnW  
#6 Posted : 05 August 2015 16:04:15(UTC)
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JohnW

Good discussion, thanks all,

Good point made by Ray about absence (in the report) of any enforcement/prosecution against the client.

CDM2015 says something like:

Quote:

Client duties in relation to managing projects:

A client must make suitable arrangements for managing a project, including the allocation of sufficient time and other resources.

These arrangements are suitable if they ensure that the construction work can be carried out, so far as is reasonably practicable, without risks to the health or safety of any person affected by the project; and

A client must ensure that these arrangements are maintained and reviewed throughout the project.


!!
SNS  
#7 Posted : 05 August 2015 22:27:07(UTC)
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SNS

The breaches are listed on the notices served http://www.hse.gov.uk/no...p;SF=NN&SV=305752321

The client had an Improvement Notice served http://www.hse.gov.uk/no...p?SF=CN&SV=305752321

RayRapp  
#8 Posted : 06 August 2015 08:57:50(UTC)
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RayRapp

Thanks SNS. I see the client got an Improvement Notice for a lack of welfare facilities - seems a bit of a cop out to me. The mantra from the HSE is that clients are head of the supply chain and therefore responsible for the health, safety and welfare of the project. They also select the PC and should ensure they competent for the role.
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