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jon joe  
#1 Posted : 21 September 2015 15:29:38(UTC)
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jon joe

Bags of material we send to customers, we've had several complaints that when certain substances are opened in their bags, they are very dusty compared to other substances...is there any devices out there which can test how dusty a substance is before its sent away (this might be a stupid question, but im generally curious)
Jimothy999  
#2 Posted : 21 September 2015 15:35:28(UTC)
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Jimothy999

Depends on your 'material' (my mind is slightly boggling). Google for particle size analyser, it might be what your are after. Alternatively, contact a contract testing laboratory and they should be able to help you out for a one shot test.
HSSnail  
#3 Posted : 21 September 2015 15:46:38(UTC)
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HSSnail

would a dust lamp work? http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/mdhs/pdfs/mdhs82-2.pdf Difficult to say more without further information.
Kate  
#4 Posted : 21 September 2015 15:57:41(UTC)
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Kate

I used to do particle size analysis. We had two methods. One a stack of sieves put on a sieve shaker or shaken by hand and weigh the residue on each. The other a very expensive machine that did a scan and gave a graph of the particle size.
jon joe  
#5 Posted : 21 September 2015 15:59:14(UTC)
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jon joe

Jimothy999 wrote:
Depends on your 'material' (my mind is slightly boggling). Google for particle size analyser, it might be what your are after. Alternatively, contact a contract testing laboratory and they should be able to help you out for a one shot test.
'material' is mainly animal feeds...want to possibly test the bags by dropping them few inches of the ground, or by opening them or pouring into containers, and seeing if there is a large amount of dust that accumlates
jon joe  
#6 Posted : 21 September 2015 16:01:03(UTC)
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jon joe

Kate wrote:
I used to do particle size analysis. We had two methods. One a stack of sieves put on a sieve shaker or shaken by hand and weigh the residue on each. The other a very expensive machine that did a scan and gave a graph of the particle size.
can you remember the name of the machine? thanks
BarrySC  
#7 Posted : 21 September 2015 16:15:13(UTC)
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BarrySC

Try www.heubachcolor.de Their Dustmaster Type II claims to be a standardised method as per EU Regulation 85/157 "Animal Feed Additives". We were considering one at one time but for what we were going to use it for didn't justify the cost: Over 18,000 Euro.
A Kurdziel  
#8 Posted : 22 September 2015 11:36:49(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

My question is even if you do measure the “dustiness” of the materials you are sending out, what will you do then? Will you reformulate the mix to try to make it less dusty( but perhaps the dust is created a result of the bags being handled in transit ) or will you advise users to tale precautions? Do you have to supply some sort of SDS with this product?
Kate  
#9 Posted : 22 September 2015 12:54:18(UTC)
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Kate

The brand name of the machine I used was Cilas - a French manufacturer. You dispersed a small amount of the material in IPA (that's isopropyl alcohol, not the other kind) and the machine did all the rest, giving a graph as output. It was a big machine about the size of a photocopier and the pride of my lab.
chris42  
#10 Posted : 22 September 2015 13:11:45(UTC)
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chris42

Not sure of there is enough info, but how about an old fashioned sieve ? I'm imagining products, say formed into pellets and bagged. When opened one is more dusty than another. Either the item is turning back into dust due to the pellets rubbing together during transit to customer or you put dust in with the pellets. One may be more durable than the other, so the abrasion during transport is not affecting it as much. Could you get a bag of each open it and put it in a sieve and see how much dust comes out of each type. Then take some bags on an actual journey to a customer and take the sieve and do the same. Then compare. I guess the size of the bag may be an issue if it is too big. If you can do the above it may help narrow down your problem. Chris
Kate  
#11 Posted : 22 September 2015 13:18:09(UTC)
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Kate

To measure dust levels with a sieve you also need a sieve shaker, as material doesn't go easily or reproducibly through a fine sieve and to get comparable results, you have to give the same large amount of shaking to the sieve - which is a job for a machine not a human. The sieve shaker is a thing that you stack the sieves on and then it vibrates them.
chris42  
#12 Posted : 22 September 2015 13:24:29(UTC)
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chris42

Yes I agree, but I didn't know the quantity of product in the bags, so it could be the size of a bag of nuts or a sack of potatoes or bigger. We are all having to guess a bit. Chris
BarrySC  
#13 Posted : 23 September 2015 08:32:24(UTC)
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BarrySC

As far as I understand, the detergent and animal feed industries tend to control how "dusty" their products are ie how likely their product will create a dust problem for the end user. This is different to measuring particle size (although I agree that this will influence the outcome) or measuring dust levels when used for its end purpose. They are looking at ensuring that each batch is below a maximum level of dustiness. Measuring the dustiness of bulk materials is covered by European standard EN 15051:2013 - Workplace exposure: Measurement of the dustiness of bulk materials. It comes in three parts: EN 15051-1:2013 Requirements and choice of test methods. EN 15051-2:2013 Rotating drum method. EN 15051-3:2013 Continuous drop method. Various literature references indicate that the rotating drum method more closely reflects the practical handling of bulk powders / granules. It is based on a method developed by the UKs HSL. The Dustmaster I mentioned in an earlier post is of this type. If it is only to be used for internal comparison testing, an alternative to buying a unit may be to make something similar yourself. Hope this is of some help. Barry
Kate  
#14 Posted : 23 September 2015 10:48:51(UTC)
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Kate

Even if it's a small quantity, it's hard to get it to go reproducibly (or at all) through the finer sieves. The sieve shaker I'm talking about is a fairly small piece of benchtop equipment that takes around 100 g of sample through the stack of sieves.
stuie  
#15 Posted : 24 September 2015 12:35:37(UTC)
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stuie

Sounds as if you don't have enough binding agent (fat/molasses?) if the feed is dusty - surprised your customers are not complaining (ours used to) which may need input from the quality dept to ensure the mix is right or that feed is not drying out too much??
Davey  
#16 Posted : 24 September 2015 12:46:22(UTC)
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Davey

TSI a company with a base in the UK have a selection of both particle counters and particle sizers
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