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Trophy Husband  
#1 Posted : 01 October 2015 14:30:13(UTC)
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Trophy Husband

Hi all. A bit of chat required, it's lonely here!

I got into H&S after taking (not so) voluntary redundancy 4 years ago. My background is civil/municipal engineering, degree qualified, with a bias towards highways, drainage, facility maintenance and civic project planning, so H&S was ingrained and came fairly easy. In actual fact I had been asking to be NEBOSH trained for several years before the axe fell. The budget never stretched that far and in the end didn't stretch to my wages either!

After completing the general Certificate and Fire Certificate whilst on the dole I got a job as HSO with a local charity and have been there since. The work is very rewarding, pretty varied across retail, clinical, housekeeping and facilities to name but a few. and I also CDM'ed a couple of new build projects for them as I had a (now outdated) CDM qualification. It's pleasant but the pay is dire as you would expect and I'm not getting any younger.

In hindsight I should have continued straight on with the Diploma when I started work but the costs kept going up and as mentioned the pay is a struggle. Now I have the snifter of work at least assisting with this which has forced me to start planning ahead with my career ahead, which is something I'm rubbish at!

I've read all about the NEBOSH vs other routes to Grad IOSH dilemmas, and appreciate that HR bods are not always consistent in their approach to job requirements. I've been quoted 2 years to to the Diploma, and quite frankly at 48 if I was going further I'd rather get it done asap.

At the same time I'm concerned however by the amount of NEBOSH qualified people who seem to struggle gaining employment in this part of the world, at least where they would wish to work. I get incredibly nervous at interviews and generally don't come across well. It's frustrating as I'm pretty articulate (you should read my watertight policies!) but there is something unnatural about the interview process that tips me over the edge. I have a good broad work experience and a technical degree but I recall how it felt not getting a single interview for over a year.

Any thoughts from experienced H&S people? I don't think I'm alone in operating in something of a bubble here. I can work independently easily but have much more experience of working as part of a team. Just bouncing career ideas around just isn't possible at my current work
Steve W1  
#2 Posted : 02 October 2015 14:10:45(UTC)
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Steve W1

Hi
Sounds to me that you have come to a crossroads and are not to sure which way to go. A lot of us have been there including myself. I think you need to look at the positives first - you have a NEBOSH certificate in occupational H&S and one in fire safety and you are employed in a H&S role so you have experience - that's not a bad start I can assure you. But what to do next ?? Yet again the positive aspect of this is that you could start to look for other H&S jobs now; its not an easy market to get into at the moment but you never know.
The next decision you have to make is how to gain better qualifications; the problem here for you is that you may have to self fund them, not always easy if you are not on a good salary.
So my advise would be - start looking for another role now and also make plans for your next personal development step. This could be a NEBOSH diploma or a vocational diploma, next step could be Grad- IOSH leading to Chartered membership. I was fortunate that the company I was working for at the time agreed to pay for all my training etc.
You mentioned you're rubbish at planning your career, so was I until I found this quote:-
"Remember when we look back we always regret the chances we didn't take"
Best of luck mate
Steve
Trophy Husband  
#3 Posted : 02 October 2015 16:03:34(UTC)
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Trophy Husband

Thanks for the encouragement. It may be an age thing too, the thought of yet another training course takes me to nearly 50. I suppose their is a nag in the back of one's mind about how employable you are then, although perhaps H&S is one career where aged and sagely wisdom is appreciated!

I was also perhaps under a illusion that qualified H&S professionals were in demand, then read a few posts here and chatted to a few visiting inspectors here that concluded the role was as vulnerable as any other. I was also told years ago that degree qualified engineers would be a rare and valued resource decades ago. Not quite, or it depends if you want to live in and around London.

You are correct of course that I should look around now rather than waiting 2 years until the Diploma is done. The salary can only go up and would pay back my current employer.

I don't want to sound ungrateful about my current role either, it has been a fantastic lifeboat after a long period of uncertainty and a thankfully shorter period of redundancy. It has broadened my H&S experience massively from construction only and boosted my confidence. I find H&S comes naturally, the thing I do struggle with is the volume and slight isolation. Joining in some local IOSH activities would help.

Cheers
walker  
#4 Posted : 05 October 2015 08:48:26(UTC)
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walker

48 ..........you are a mere child!
Get on and upgrade your qualifications
Tell us were in the country you are and maybe someone local could mentor you.

Love your pseudonym
Steve W1  
#5 Posted : 05 October 2015 09:05:31(UTC)
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Steve W1

Hi again

Forgot to mention .... I,m 61 and I have just booked myself on another 2 training courses. Your never to old to learn; when you stop learning you stop living.

Old git -- with attitude
Nikki-Napo  
#6 Posted : 05 October 2015 12:19:24(UTC)
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Nikki-Napo

Here's another side which may encourage you to go forward with more training.

I did my NEBOSH general certificate aged 47, that wasn't enough for me so I went on to do my Professional Diploma in Safety Health and Environmental Management (this course is no longer available, but does lead to GradIOSH). I completed that in 2011 and was upgraded to GradIOSH status as a result. All of this was self funded. I did manage to obtain a CDL for my diploma which had to be paid back. I'm not sure if you can get a CDL for the NEBOSH diploma. Maybe an idea to make some enquiries. At the time when I did mine, RBS and Co-op were the only two banks offering them. This may well have changed by now.

Also, I felt the NEBOSH diploma didn't offer me everything I wanted, was expensive and had a dire pass rate. I'm glad I chose the qualification that I did.

I'm now 53 and struggling to get my foot in the door, despite volunteering (suggested by a few) as part of IOSH's graduate shadowing placement scheme, I've also done some short sharp contracts as a self-employed person. The reason I'm still looking is because the work is terribly sporadic, does not lead to a dependable income and I never know if I've made a difference and that's important to me.

Please don't let my struggles with gaining meaningful employment put you off studying further. I loved my time studying and would love to do more, but can't afford the luxury of funding more studies now.
Trophy Husband  
#7 Posted : 06 October 2015 15:59:07(UTC)
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Trophy Husband

GradIOSH and struggling to get a look in? Sorry but that is a worry!

I'm in the North East BTW, home Co.Durham, work Teesside.
Nikki-Napo  
#8 Posted : 15 October 2015 13:12:23(UTC)
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Nikki-Napo

Trophy Husband wrote:
GradIOSH and struggling to get a look in? Sorry but that is a worry!

I'm in the North East BTW, home Co.Durham, work Teesside.


Worrying for me too!

I recently attended another interview, and when I asked the question "what, if anything would prevent me getting this position", I was told *the usual, the comfort blanket, someone who comes along whose been in a similar industry (insert whatever industry this might be you're interviewing for), would get the job.*

This is what I am up against time after time, it's becoming the norm now, and quite frankly I don't know what to do anymore, or where to turn.

It doesn't seem to matter that I've done volunteering, funded all my own courses, done some contract work (paid for my own PI and PL Insurances), am hugely passionate about HS&E, keep my knowledge up to date, attend webinars etc etc . it's all starting to mean diddly, and quite honestly I'm thoroughly despondent about it all!
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