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Trophy Husband  
#1 Posted : 05 October 2015 14:13:21(UTC)
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Trophy Husband

Hello all. Can anyone comment on the liability as a tenant in rented premises (high street shops) regarding Legionella testing? The Residential Landlord's Association website states: Landlords are under a duty to ensure that the risk of exposure to tenants, residents and visitors by Legionella is properly assessed and controlled. Sounds conclusive but how are landlords reminded of this obligation? Inspections by the local authority?
hopeful  
#2 Posted : 05 October 2015 14:38:44(UTC)
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hopeful

Surely Landlords are reminded by their competent person and having appropriate procedures and systems in place.
Kate  
#3 Posted : 05 October 2015 14:54:15(UTC)
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Kate

Shops aren't residential so that website may not be applicable. The responsibility for legionella controls in a commercial rental will depend on the contract terms. The legionella risk doesn't just depend on the state of the plumbing but also on how the water is used. So I don't see that the legionella risk assessment can be done purely by the landlord's representative without considering the tenant.
jwk  
#4 Posted : 05 October 2015 15:15:34(UTC)
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jwk

I'm absolutely with Kate on this one. Legionella risk is covered in law by COSHH & HASAWA; it is the employer's duty. That duty may be contracted out to a third party, such as for example your commercial landlord, but the tenant in this case is the employer, and is the accountable party. We rent over 300 small shop units, and we carry out our own risk assessments and our own programme of risk control; this I think is normal, John
RayRapp  
#5 Posted : 05 October 2015 15:20:59(UTC)
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RayRapp

I think you will find HSE guidance HSG274 - Part 2: The control of legionella bacteria in hot and cold water systems will answer all your questions. http://www.hse.gov.uk/pUbns/priced/hsg274part2.pdf
Trophy Husband  
#6 Posted : 05 October 2015 16:43:41(UTC)
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Trophy Husband

Thanks for the comprehensive replies and link. It sounds like an examination of contracts is in order ahead of risk assessments, as although in most cases we are the "persons in control" we are excluded from many parts of the buildings including loft spaces where tanks could reside. Also calling them high street shops might have been a little grandiose for what they are, many times the landlords are sole traders/persons and the agreements are skimpy (we don't get wheeled in until the ink is dry and the shop ready to open, another pet peeve). Having said that many are so small scale they rely on instant heaters at the point of use which is in our favour.
mikecarr  
#7 Posted : 06 October 2015 08:42:24(UTC)
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mikecarr

As a tenant you would be responsible for any outlets within your demise e;g flushing infrequently use outlets, descaling showers/taps etc. It good practice for the landlords M&E to do this for you as part of the lease/contract
Xavier123  
#8 Posted : 06 October 2015 09:14:30(UTC)
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Xavier123

Sounds like you've got the advice you needed. The 'Shared Premises' section towards the end of HSG274 Part 2 is the bit you should pay heed to. You're an employer therefore you have duties, your landlord rents out the space, s.3 HASWA applies, and they have duties too. You just need to figure it out and agree where those duties start and stop between you. In practice I seriously doubt it'll be covered in the lease by default (it rarely is in my experience).
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